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Jun 26, 2022 - 7:25:27 AM
182 posts since 5/27/2008

I have an all original 1925 diamond and squares tb3ball bearing. Right now I'm using a cheap neck I had just to hear it as a five string.
I'm starting a neck for it and had originally thought to use diamond and squares inlay like the original.
Everyone I talk to thinks I should go with the wreath pattern.
I thought the 3s with wreath pattern were all one piece flange.
Just wondering ( for resales sake ) what are your opinions on if
it would matter one way or the other.

Jun 26, 2022 - 7:37:30 AM
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1918 posts since 5/19/2018

Makes zero difference on the resale. Chances are it I will sell quicker if you decide to get rid of it if you get the original style diamonds pattern made for it that is correct and standard for the style and year of issue.

Best thing you can do is get a neck made by a well recognized and established ( Neat, DoTson, Bryant, ect. Ect.) maker. That will minimize any questions about the repo neck. Since you are making the neck yourself, that kind of renders the above statement moot, but I would still go for the original style for ease of build amd the aforementioned reasons. 

Whatever you do, if you have it, hold onto the original tenor neck amd don’t get into the thing of cutting the rim for an “improved” tone ring.

My thoughts only based on buying and selling many banjos over the now many decades.

Edited by - Alvin Conder on 06/26/2022 07:40:36

Jun 26, 2022 - 10:02:28 AM
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ChunoTheDog

Canada

1611 posts since 8/9/2019

Doesn't matter the inlay but please use a fiddle cut peghead. Double cut peghead on pre-1930s tube n plate flange Mastertones just ain't right.

Jun 26, 2022 - 10:37:02 AM
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182 posts since 5/27/2008

ChunoTheDog , It will have the fiddle cut with Mastertone inlayed in it as well.
Alvin Condor, I realize a popular named neck builder may bring a few more dollars, and for sure may attract more initial attention, but while they didn't have my name inlayed in them, I probably made 1000 to 1200 necks in my 20 some years working for Geoff Stelling.
So I just can't see not making my own.
I also have made 20 some conversion necks that were very well received.
I do appreciate all opinions, especially from seasoned sellers.
It will be sold with All original parts as well as the original hide head.
Thanks to you both.

Jun 26, 2022 - 11:22:36 AM
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RioStat

USA

5849 posts since 10/12/2009

Go with the Wreath.....the best looking inlay pattern Gibson ever used, in my opinion.

Jun 26, 2022 - 11:29:26 AM

ChunoTheDog

Canada

1611 posts since 8/9/2019

Wreath inlay with Bella Voce peghead overlay would be my choice

Jun 26, 2022 - 12:17:39 PM
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4511 posts since 5/29/2011

While I usually agree with Scott Yates, I'm going to have to differ with this one. I would keep the original style inlays, especially since you plan to use the fiddle peghead and Mastertone inlay. A Wreath pattern in that set up would look like a Style 5 instead of a Style 3. On a nickel-plated banjo it would look a little out of place.
There is something to be said about the understated simplicity of a Diamonds & Squares pattern. It makes the fingerboard look decorated instead of cluttered. And, in the long run, keeping the original style inlays will help resale value if you decide to go that direction.

Jun 26, 2022 - 2:35:59 PM

182 posts since 5/27/2008

Thanks again to all who have responded. I actually really like the diamond and squares. That's how I'm leaning at the moment.
Definitely easier to inlay.

Jun 26, 2022 - 2:44:17 PM
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1918 posts since 5/19/2018

David, After reading your reply above, I am absolutely certain that any neck you make will be perfect and look incredible.

Please post pictures when you are complete. You might find you get flooded for requests for 5 string necks.

Jun 26, 2022 - 3:48:31 PM
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13457 posts since 6/2/2008

I believe go with whatever inlay you like. If you like the "correct" diamond and squares for this model, then fine. I'd have to see actual sales results to believe that converted banjos sell easier and for higher prices if they have the correct inlay for their model.

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Jun 26, 2022 - 5:35:07 PM

2442 posts since 12/18/2004

Dave,
This is just my opinion but from my experience of building over 165 conversion necks for prewar Gibsons of most all types, I have found that most like the conversion 5 string neck to look as close to the original tenor neck as possible with nice clear Brazilian rosewood board and proper inlays.....would make the fingerboard thickness thin like prewars were and use the 3/32 size position dots.
tint binding to match color of binding on resonator as close as possible.
With one exception, the prewar original 5 string style 3s from 25-29 did not have inlay at 15th fret.
I have built several and some wants an inlay there and some don't....that's a personal preference.
I have also left of the inlay at 15th on some necks for customers but put in a position dot at 15th in neck binding.......this does help you with hand placement and not getting lost up the neck......just saying!
Good luck with your build whichever way you go!
Don Bryant NC banjo luthier

Jun 26, 2022 - 6:49:03 PM
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182 posts since 5/27/2008

bryantde, Thanks for all the suggestions.
I was given some very old, straight grain brazilian blocks. Very dark. Make very nice finger boards.
I think you've all helped me decide on the Diamond and Squares. Thanks to all.


 

Jun 27, 2022 - 9:14:04 AM
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RioStat

USA

5849 posts since 10/12/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Culloden

While I usually agree with Scott Yates, I'm going to have to differ with this one. I would keep the original style inlays, especially since you plan to use the fiddle peghead and Mastertone inlay. A Wreath pattern in that set up would look like a Style 5 instead of a Style 3. On a nickel-plated banjo it would look a little out of place.
There is something to be said about the understated simplicity of a Diamonds & Squares pattern. It makes the fingerboard look decorated instead of cluttered. And, in the long run, keeping the original style inlays will help resale value if you decide to go that direction.


I agree with Mark............that him and I seldom disagree ! smiley

This thread has been a rarity for BHO....3 or 4 different opinions offered, with no  "fights breaking out" !!

Jun 27, 2022 - 9:17:24 AM
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ChunoTheDog

Canada

1611 posts since 8/9/2019

FWIW I'm firmly in the camp that H&F or wreath inlays on a well executed late 20s Style 3 conversion would never detract from its 'sellability' at all.

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