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May 8, 2022 - 6:09:02 PM
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1844 posts since 2/9/2007

https://www.ebay.com/itm/384864547654?

Looks old, but then it is supposed to...   there sure are a lot of things wrong with it.

May 8, 2022 - 6:13:54 PM

HASfrets

Canada

180 posts since 10/23/2017

Yeah, I've been watching that one casually. A really interesting piece as far as the style and construction are concerned. I'm prepared to believe it is indeed pretty old, though I suppose you never know.

May 9, 2022 - 6:52:32 AM

2330 posts since 1/4/2009

looks like the fithstring bump has been sawed off the neck, theres a picture on the back where you can see the neck was shaped for the bump.

May 9, 2022 - 7:19:10 AM

9 posts since 1/17/2022

Looks pretty good to me.

May 9, 2022 - 3:21:28 PM

1844 posts since 2/9/2007

quote:
Originally posted by kyleb

looks like the fithstring bump has been sawed off the neck, theres a picture on the back where you can see the neck was shaped for the bump.


oh yeah... I was looking on the wrong side!   and the peghead design makes a lot more sense to my eye, too, if it was supposed to be a lefty.

Edited by - Dan Gellert on 05/09/2022 15:23:32

May 10, 2022 - 2:37:46 AM

m06

England

11186 posts since 10/5/2006

The double row of tacks suggest it had a skin front and back.

At that price I can’t see it being worth anyone’s time and effort to fake.

It looks interesting.

Edited by - m06 on 05/10/2022 02:38:41

May 10, 2022 - 4:38:26 PM
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HASfrets

Canada

180 posts since 10/23/2017

Just saw how much it sold for.

I had a feeling things had been a bit too quiet in that auction...

May 10, 2022 - 4:48:10 PM

1570 posts since 3/1/2012

quote:
Originally posted by AldenS

Just saw how much it sold for.

I had a feeling things had been a bit too quiet in that auction...

 


Ya...I got outbid in the last 5 seconds. Dang!

May 10, 2022 - 7:00:01 PM

1305 posts since 3/21/2013

Same. I put some early bids in expecting it to go high. Not quite that high. Could this have been a boucher prototype? Very interesting! Congrats on whomever won it! There's been some very cool, early banjos lately

May 10, 2022 - 7:41:55 PM
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406 posts since 1/26/2020

I definitely wouldn’t have paid half that for it. I agree it’s an interesting banjo, though it looks like an unfinished project.

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May 10, 2022 - 9:24:09 PM
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Originally posted by tbchappe

I definitely wouldn’t have paid half that for it. I agree it’s an interesting banjo, though it looks like an unfinished project.

Blaine


Blaine, I'm GLAD you didn't bid against me! Obviously, good people don't bid against me, and bad people do! You've helped me articulate my world view!

May 11, 2022 - 1:55:41 AM

406 posts since 1/26/2020

quote:
Originally posted by IMBanjoJim
quote:
Originally posted by tbchappe

I definitely wouldn’t have paid half that for it. I agree it’s an interesting banjo, though it looks like an unfinished project.

Blaine


Blaine, I'm GLAD you didn't bid against me! Obviously, good people don't bid against me, and bad people do! You've helped me articulate my world view!


I definitely don't want to get in your way, Jim. And, if I sounded crass, I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way. I'll say that that banjo just wasn't for me.

 I'm down to just wanting one, maybe two more big hitters in my own small collection. 

 Blaine

May 11, 2022 - 1:58:53 AM

m06

England

11186 posts since 10/5/2006

Including shipping the currency convertor makes that £3,020 GBP.

Well, that would be a reason for a fraudster to knock one up in his shed.

But it still looks interesting (the evidence of a double skin very interesting)...in my opinion just not anywhere near three grand-worth of interesting!.

Edited by - m06 on 05/11/2022 02:05:55

May 11, 2022 - 4:55:16 AM

1852 posts since 5/19/2018

Had my eye on that one, very casually, as I did not really know what to think of it.

Obviously old, but without actual provenance, no way of telling if it’s 1850’s or 1910’s.

Somebody was very confident on the age to pay that level.

May 11, 2022 - 6:02:21 AM

m06

England

11186 posts since 10/5/2006

I wonder if there's significance to be taken from the different number of tacks top and bottom? Would that maybe indicate that the lower skin was intended to be at less tension?

Is it cherry wood?

May 11, 2022 - 8:32:24 AM

16 posts since 8/9/2021

IMHO it does not seem like an outlandish price for a rare and early piece of banjo history, which it appears to be. if you happen to have the do- re -me.

May 11, 2022 - 8:40:25 AM

2330 posts since 1/4/2009

i think its extremely odd that it sold for so much since the neck has been mutliated by removing the 5th string bump. you can see from the back where it used to be and its been sawed off, i bet its obvious from the side view. I dont understand this sale price, at all. I hope no one here dropped that on it and missed this. 


 

Edited by - kyleb on 05/11/2022 08:45:19

May 11, 2022 - 9:03:28 AM
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1853 posts since 1/13/2012

quote:
Originally posted by kyleb

i think its extremely odd that it sold for so much since the neck has been mutliated by removing the 5th string bump. you can see from the back where it used to be and its been sawed off, i bet its obvious from the side view. I dont understand this sale price, at all. I hope no one here dropped that on it and missed this. 


It's not necessarily mutilated. A fair number of instruments from the minstrel era have the 5th string bump done as an outrigger that was added on with glue or metal fasteners. Could be the piece is just missing.

May 11, 2022 - 9:41:23 AM

2330 posts since 1/4/2009

true, but eitherway i would think that would signifigantly decrease the value. 

May 11, 2022 - 10:37:25 AM
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1570 posts since 3/1/2012

quote:
Originally posted by kyleb

true, but eitherway i would think that would signifigantly decrease the value. 


If this banjo is, in fact, a pre-Civil War double tackhead, it is worth every penny, in my opinion. How many are still around?

May 11, 2022 - 10:39:09 AM
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1305 posts since 3/21/2013

quote:
Originally posted by kyleb

i think its extremely odd that it sold for so much since the neck has been mutliated by removing the 5th string bump. you can see from the back where it used to be and its been sawed off, i bet its obvious from the side view. I dont understand this sale price, at all. I hope no one here dropped that on it and missed this. 


I actually wondered more if it had a 5th tuner extension, and it had come apart. I have seen some of those some separately from the neck, no? For me, the way the dowel was engineered was the most interesting part. that and the boucher style headstock. but the dowel seemed to have more engineering than the rest of the banjo combined

May 11, 2022 - 10:45:48 AM

2330 posts since 1/4/2009

quote:
Originally posted by IMBanjoJim
quote:
Originally posted by kyleb

true, but eitherway i would think that would signifigantly decrease the value. 


If this banjo is, in fact, a pre-Civil War double tackhead, it is worth every penny, in my opinion. How many are still around?


how would you know if this was pre civil war or not? 

May 11, 2022 - 10:55:08 AM
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1570 posts since 3/1/2012

Double tackheads seem to have been rare later.
To me, everything about that banjo says Antebellum.

May 11, 2022 - 12:02:58 PM

16 posts since 8/9/2021

It would be hard to resist restoring this banjo to playability, but that would probably lower it's value considerably- as they say it's only original once....

May 11, 2022 - 3:24:41 PM

2330 posts since 1/4/2009

I'm fascinated by this, don't know much about this end of the collectible market. I makes sense historically but to have one in non playable condition command this much is kinda crazy to me. Especially since the comment was made that making it playable could hurt the value. How much more would this be in original playable with conclusive provenance ? Does that matter that much for this end of the collectible market?

Edited by - kyleb on 05/11/2022 15:26:24

May 11, 2022 - 4:02:47 PM
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1570 posts since 3/1/2012

quote:
Originally posted by kyleb

I'm fascinated by this, don't know much about this end of the collectible market. I makes sense historically but to have one in non playable condition command this much is kinda crazy to me. Especially since the comment was made that making it playable could hurt the value. How much more would this be in original playable with conclusive provenance ? Does that matter that much for this end of the collectible market?


Kyle, you keep looking for the logic--there is no logic! We're talking banjo collecting here!

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