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Apr 13, 2022 - 5:42:18 PM
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87 posts since 8/10/2007

Hey everyone,
I'm interested in the goldtone bela fleck neck. I've seen a few top players use the full banjo or neck. The issue I see after discussing the neck with a prominent banjo shop in nashville which shall go unnamed is that they didn't seem able/ willing to deal with the heel not being precut for a one piece flange. Does anyone have experience in buying the neck on its own and having it fit to a pot either by goldtone or someone else? Or know of a luthier or shop that would be able/ willing to cut the neck for a one piece flange and fit it to a pot?

Thanks,
Will

Apr 13, 2022 - 6:13:17 PM

13315 posts since 6/2/2008

God Tone will cut it and fit it to your pot for $150.

Apr 13, 2022 - 7:18:57 PM

87 posts since 8/10/2007

I noticed that it said that on their site Ken, thanks for pointing it out though. I'd be fairly hesitant to go that route though...

Apr 14, 2022 - 4:52:16 AM
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pfolmar

USA

54 posts since 4/13/2004

$150 is crazy expensive. Do you live in Nashville? If not were do you live? Clancy Mullins in Johnson City will fit your neck to the pot for a fraction of that cost.
Patrick

Apr 14, 2022 - 8:47:12 AM
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1876 posts since 1/28/2013

quote:
Originally posted by pfolmar

$150 is crazy expensive. Do you live in Nashville? If not were do you live? Clancy Mullins in Johnson City will fit your neck to the pot for a fraction of that cost.
Patrick


Luthier Price Guide - (acousticbox.com) $155 to cut and attach a neck to a pot is the average Luthier price. It's not an easy job.

Edited by - jan dupree on 04/14/2022 08:51:21

Apr 14, 2022 - 12:22:20 PM

13315 posts since 6/2/2008

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Originally posted by wmaclean

I noticed that it said that on their site Ken, thanks for pointing it out though. I'd be fairly hesitant to go that route though...


Why?

They make the neck. They make the neck to fit a well-reviewed  $3700 banjo, one of which Bela Fleck actually plays. They cut necks in their Florida shop to fit banjos all the time. No, I don't have any personal experience with them, but there are people here who do. They just don't happen to be seeing or responding to your message.

Eric Sullivan can certainly do it. Don Bryant. Richie Dotson (his business is Acoustic Box, previously pointed out as charing the same as Gold Tone to do this).

Plenty of people to whom you can send your neck, rim, tone ring and flange. 

Final comment:  If you bought the neck pre-cut for one-piece flange, there's no guarantee the cut would be right for your rim with one-piece flange. That's because there is no one standard inner diameter of one-piece flange. There were two main I.D.s from Gibson when their flanges were cast by Doehler -- 10-13/16 and 10-11/16.  With the wear in the tooling over the decades, flanges that were supposed to be one or the other of those varied.  I know nothing about the "Gibson USA" flanges Stew-Mac flanges, when they sold their own, were more like 10-3/4. Golden Gate was something else.  On top of this, different banjo builders cut the skirt (lower portion of rim) at different tolerances so the flange can clear the rim without scraping.

All of this means the correct neck angle for the neck depends on having the correct length for the lower lag portion of the heel which depends on the inner diameter of your flange and how your rim was cut to accommodate it. A pre-cut heel might fit well and give you a good angle and action with a 5/8 or 21/32 bridge. If you're lucky. Or it might require shimming.

Apr 14, 2022 - 12:31:12 PM

13315 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by jan dupree
quote:
Originally posted by pfolmar

$150 is crazy expensive.


Luthier Price Guide - (acousticbox.com) $155 to cut and attach a neck to a pot is the average Luthier price. It's not an easy job.


From the same price guide, it's only $95 to cut a heel.

The $155 price includes re-attachment, restringing and full set-up. If the O.P. can attach the neck himself, he only needs a luthier to cut the heel for one-piece flange and correct angle for his pot, and install lag bolts.

Richie Dotson has a fairly new custom heel cutting knife. I've seen video. Appears to mount on a router table.

Apr 14, 2022 - 2:55:40 PM
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1876 posts since 1/28/2013

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Originally posted by Old Hickory
quote:
Originally posted by jan dupree
quote:
Originally posted by pfolmar

$150 is crazy expensive.


Luthier Price Guide - (acousticbox.com) $155 to cut and attach a neck to a pot is the average Luthier price. It's not an easy job.


From the same price guide, it's only $95 to cut a heel.

The $155 price includes re-attachment, restringing and full set-up. If the O.P. can attach the neck himself, he only needs a luthier to cut the heel for one-piece flange and correct angle for his pot, and install lag bolts.

Richie Dotson has a fairly new custom heel cutting knife. I've seen video. Appears to mount on a router table.


It's the most critical work that can be done to a banjo. I would'nt attempt it myself. If you don't get it right the first time, it can ruin the neck to where it can't be used.

Apr 14, 2022 - 3:47:33 PM

13315 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by jan dupree
It's the most critical work that can be done to a banjo. I would'nt attempt it myself. If you don't get it right the first time, it can ruin the neck to where it can't be used.

Totally agree. I was just pointing out that Richie cuts a heel for under $100 and now has a custom-designed cutter for a quick and precise job. The $155 price included reassembly and stringing up, which can be done at home.  I know I'd do my own reassembly even if I sent the rim, ring and flange together with the neck being cut.

Apr 14, 2022 - 10:12:39 PM

1876 posts since 1/28/2013

But is'nt it better to have them cut the heel and do everything else to make sure it is perfect?

Edited by - jan dupree on 04/14/2022 22:15:36

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Apr 15, 2022 - 6:08:57 AM
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Helix

USA

15600 posts since 8/30/2006

No, Jan.
Gold Tone uses a shaper like Eric Sullivan or Bart Reiter. Richie is an innovator, he makes things better.
RK and Gold Tone as importers both have on shore jobs, I get to speak with struggling musicians who work for them, some of those musicians rent lofts together.
In my shop, I see various imported necks. a shaper goes 100k rpm and won't splinter the ends.

I have had Gold Tone shape heels perfectly since 2006. I always install my own lags .

The options are hand chiseled and radiused heels, then:
Then that cool little Dremel jig which has a low fiddle factor for lower volume output, I could do 100 a year with that easily.
I use my table saw.
Then a shaper.

Apr 15, 2022 - 6:31:09 PM

13315 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by jan dupree

But is'nt it better to have them cut the heel and do everything else to make sure it is perfect?


If the owner sends them the three main pot pieces with the neck, that's everything they need to get the cut right.

I would prefer not to pay a luthier to reassemble my banjo, which I am quite capable of doing, and not pay to ship my entire banjo. Or risk shipping the banjo and have it arrive with the new neck broken at the heel or peghead or both.

Apr 16, 2022 - 3:57:37 AM
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Number Two

Canada

42 posts since 1/13/2014

purchased the Bela maple neck directly from GoldTone in Florida. Wayne said it was a new neck heel cutting machine. Sent them the StewMac bg pot minus the resonator. Asked them to ship it dis-assembled and although reluctant they did. No problems at the border. It took about 2 weeks return shipping. Well packaged & no damages or whatnot during shipping. Satisfied customer.

Apr 18, 2022 - 9:11:21 AM

87 posts since 8/10/2007

Thanks Number Two! thats the type of response I was hoping for!

Apr 18, 2022 - 11:12:26 AM

17 posts since 8/20/2021

I was wondering: has anyone on the forum ordered the whole banjo from Gold Tone and gotten it yet?

May 3, 2022 - 6:59:07 AM

102 posts since 7/24/2003

Just about to do this. I'll let you know how it goes.

May 3, 2022 - 7:30:18 AM

13315 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by jsteele64289

I was wondering: has anyone on the forum ordered the whole banjo from Gold Tone and gotten it yet?


Gabe Hirshfeld has been playing a loaner/demo and has posted videos. As far as I've seen, no one who has bought one has come forward on the Hangout.

A good number of people have bought and commented on the lower-priced OB-3 "Twanger."

May 27, 2022 - 7:54:08 PM

26 posts since 12/9/2018

I just got one of the Goldtone Bluegrass Heart model banjos. I've been crazy busy but managed a couple of quick sessions. IMO Goldtones have always been good to excellent at their price point so I had the local music store order one several month ago. I've given it a very quick look over and it is by far the nicest Gold Tone I've seen for fit and finish. I looks like the crew that built it really made an effort to step up their game. From what I've read online, there are several folks that put quite a bit of effort into rolling this ball uphill.

I don't have the experience to really wring it out or describe the fine points of what I'm hearing, but I really enjoy playing it. The tone is different, in a very good way and I know it will get even better as it wakes up. I'm sure there will be better reviews as time goes by but I thought I'd throw in my two cents to kind of prime the pump. I don't have any idea of how long they have been shipping these or where you could find one to try out for yourself but IMO you might be really surprised.

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