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Dec 6, 2021 - 1:34:47 PM
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1210 posts since 12/2/2013

Is is time we junked the Olympics, both summer and winter games? There are plenty of venues for athletes to strut their stuff and the use of the games for nationalistic purposes (despite the poverty of some of the nations) is much more emphasized, another one of those us against them, whoever that may be.  The emphasis on who has the most medals, especially gold medals, belies the supposed nature of the games which is to honor athletic achievement for its own healthy purposes. Yeah, right.

Edited by - flyingsquirrelinlay on 12/06/2021 13:36:10

Dec 6, 2021 - 1:36:43 PM

917 posts since 5/22/2021

I totally agree with you. Tho, it is quite fun to see how some folks succeed and some dont :-)

Dec 6, 2021 - 1:39:49 PM

ChunoTheDog

Canada

1184 posts since 8/9/2019

I've been saying this for years. The Olympics is an obsolete concept. And not even financially viable for any host nation.

Dec 6, 2021 - 1:51:56 PM

banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

11809 posts since 2/22/2007

Love the athletic performances. Hate the corruption of money and politics and jingoism.

Dec 6, 2021 - 3:09:27 PM
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slammer

USA

3486 posts since 12/30/2008
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I agree…..well, all except Curling!!!
Slammer!!!

Dec 6, 2021 - 3:34:45 PM

12865 posts since 1/15/2005

I love both the summer and winter Olympics. If they could keep the politics and corruption out of them all the better, but it is the performances that I like.

Dec 6, 2021 - 3:38:23 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

61699 posts since 10/5/2013

I’d like to see them continue,,, it’s a real challenge for many in amateur sports to even qualify. Curling and ping pong might be brothers-in-arms against by byceps snobbery….

Dec 6, 2021 - 4:18:30 PM

1210 posts since 12/2/2013

I see some influence on the traditional Olympics from modern imitators like the X-games and others. I confess I'm a sports traditionalist; I don't care for motorcycle or snowmobile racing or leaping/jumping but I'm amenable to curling and synchronized swimming. I like the foot racing/relay teams, and get a chuckle watching the 20KM walk. But it has become too nationalistic, too expensive spending money the host nation doesn't have while millions live in poverty, slowly but certainly becoming a tool in the politicians holster. After all these years I still remember the final run in the 1976 downhill race with Franz Klammer beating Jean-Claude Killy and winning the gold by a few thousandths of a second!

Dec 6, 2021 - 9:09:05 PM
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csrat

USA

926 posts since 9/14/2008

quote:
Originally posted by slammer

I agree…..well, all except Curling!!!
Slammer!!!


Not a fan of the Olympics. To commercial and corrupt.

That being said, Big fan of Curling! A few years back the Canadians had an Olympic Curler who was some 6 months pregnant at the time. Now that's someone I will cheer for! I even bought an Olympic Curling Team Sweatshirt that year!

Dec 6, 2021 - 10:25:04 PM
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Paul R

Canada

15406 posts since 1/28/2010

The Olympics have become too monetized. They used to be for "true" amateurs, but certain nations got around that and devised programmes that made their athletes professionals in all but name. Then pros were allowed. In many cases we're seeing people who are essentially genetic freaks, doing things most humans would be incapable of, pursuing training regimens that few could endure.

The "need" for huge amounts of money, for athlete training as well as the games themselves, and the selling of Olympic branding, have corrupted the original ideal. There's an obscene amount of money needed to stage the Olympics.

I attended the '76 Games in Montreal. The city took decades to pay it off. And huge events like that are like a dose of dope - the temporary high of the games and the "down" and withdrawal symptoms afterward. Montreal experienced it twice - Expo 67 and the Olympics: a big rush and a recession afterward.

Dec 7, 2021 - 3:11:38 AM

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I got over the Olympics when they started allowing professional athletes to compete. It's also a huge drain on the amateur athletes as they have to shell out a lot of their own cash. You would think, with the money that the committee makes, we wouldn't be making our best athletes pay their own way to be on a national team.

I also agree that politics has crept way too far into it. Anymore it's like a podium for someone's political axes to grind than it is a podium for their abilities in their chosen sport.

Dec 7, 2021 - 4:11:26 AM
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Far, far too much $$$ and attention is paid to sports, period, while the Arts and Science go sadly lacking.

Dec 7, 2021 - 4:33:22 AM
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figmo59

USA

34677 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Paul R

The Olympics have become too monetized. They used to be for "true" amateurs, but certain nations got around that and devised programmes that made their athletes professionals in all but name. Then pros were allowed. In many cases we're seeing people who are essentially genetic freaks, doing things most humans would be incapable of, pursuing training regimens that few could endure.

The "need" for huge amounts of money, for athlete training as well as the games themselves, and the selling of Olympic branding, have corrupted the original ideal. There's an obscene amount of money needed to stage the Olympics.

I attended the '76 Games in Montreal. The city took decades to pay it off. And huge events like that are like a dose of dope - the temporary high of the games and the "down" and withdrawal symptoms afterward. Montreal experienced it twice - Expo 67 and the Olympics: a big rush and a recession afterward.


I would enjoy them more if they went back thier roots...

Dec 7, 2021 - 5:54:58 AM
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BobbyE

USA

3005 posts since 11/29/2007

>I agree…..well, all except Curling!!! Slammer!!!<

I can't watch curling; it is too exciting. My nerves can't take it.

Bobby

Dec 7, 2021 - 9:02:42 AM

Buddur

USA

3124 posts since 10/23/2004

Olympics are already junk.

At least the Olympics recognize more current sports that young folks participate in

Dec 7, 2021 - 9:21:21 AM
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2975 posts since 2/10/2013

I think the Olympics should always be held at two designated sites, one for winter Olympics and another for summer Olympics. Places with appropriate health, security, competitive conditions. A winter location that always has snow. A summer place that offers comfortable climatic and health conditions. Locations selected for the olympics would have to meet specific criteria. One would be no price gouging.

Next, the Olympics would revert to amateur athletes, not professionals improving their commerical images and opportunities. Amateur sports are gradually disappearing. Commerialism is taking over everything. College athletes will be become paid athletes.
I don't understand how anyone can refer to a paid athlete as an amateur.

Finally, the Olympics is just a financial "black hole" for taxpayers in countries. Having the Olympics at fixed locations would minimize this situation. Olumpics are sometimes just an excuse for using taxpayer dollars to fund private commercial development.

Here is part of a wikipedia statement about one Olympics, and it may be a typical situation -

"The Oxford Olympics Study estimates the outturn cost of the Montreal 1976 Summer Olympics at USD 6.1 billion in 2015-dollars and cost overrun at 720% in real terms."

Each country should spend its resources on more important things. And believe me, there are many more important things.

Dec 7, 2021 - 10:13:31 AM

12865 posts since 1/15/2005

The notion that amateur athletes compete is a noble one, but in reality these athletes give up way too much to ever really be amateurs. There really is not such thing as amateur athletes anymore. Even though amateur athletes, as we know them, don't compete for prize money or are otherwise paid, they spend a great deal of time, energy, and money to become the best that they can be at their sport. Honestly, I had rather see the best athletes in the world compete and that means many or most will be professionals. Even when the Olympics were limited to amateurs, we all knew that the Russian Ice Hockey team (or any Russian athlete) and the East German ice figure skaters were not amateurs. We needed to do something to level the playing field.

Dec 7, 2021 - 10:25:38 AM

YellowSkyBlueSun

Virgin Islands (U.S.)

616 posts since 5/11/2021

It's funny to me how people mention that the Olympics "have become" to corrupt, political, and nationalistic, as if it hasn't always been corrupt, political, and nationalistic by design.

It's also funny to me that people oppose China hosting the olympics due to geopolitical issues, as if they didn't already host them less than a decade ago, and as if Germany didn't host them while they were committing genocide and waging war against most of Europe.

Dec 7, 2021 - 10:44:39 AM

Jbo1

USA

1091 posts since 5/19/2007

YellowSkyBlueSun, if you mean the 1936 Berlin Olympics, that was three years before WW2. The threat and implications of Nazi violence was there, but they had yet to commit genocide and waging war.

The Olympics were actually put on hold during the First and Second World Wars.

Dec 7, 2021 - 11:08:12 AM

930 posts since 10/4/2018

They can lose the olympics, I never got too excited about it. But, don't take away the World Cup. I don't care how corrupt it is. I have come to enjoy European Football for four or five weeks every four years.

Dec 7, 2021 - 11:17:57 AM

chuckv97

Canada

61699 posts since 10/5/2013

The Gold Medalist RCAF Flyers , 1948 Olympics at St. Moritz, Switzerland. The team was made up of RCAF members from across Canada, led by hockey legends Georges Boucher and his son Frank. 


 

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Dec 7, 2021 - 1:29:43 PM
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Paul R

Canada

15406 posts since 1/28/2010

quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

The Gold Medalist RCAF Flyers , 1948 Olympics at St. Moritz, Switzerland. The team was made up of RCAF members from across Canada, led by hockey legends Georges Boucher and his son Frank. 


Would they have been the inspiration for the Russian/Soviet hockey team - made up of Red Army "soldiers", paid to do their duty: play hockey for the motherland?

I'm a big supporter of the CBC, but I'm sick of all the articles about Olympic athletes. Media outlets that have Olympic contracts spend far too much time on self-promotion.

I doubt that a bunch of banjo players will influence the change in direction, or abandonment of, Olympic sports.

Dec 7, 2021 - 2:29:36 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

61699 posts since 10/5/2013

quote:
Originally posted by Paul R
quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

The Gold Medalist RCAF Flyers , 1948 Olympics at St. Moritz, Switzerland. The team was made up of RCAF members from across Canada, led by hockey legends Georges Boucher and his son Frank. 


Would they have been the inspiration for the Russian/Soviet hockey team - made up of Red Army "soldiers", paid to do their duty: play hockey for the motherland?

I'm a big supporter of the CBC, but I'm sick of all the articles about Olympic athletes. Media outlets that have Olympic contracts spend far too much time on self-promotion.

I doubt that a bunch of banjo players will influence the change in direction, or abandonment of, Olympic sports.


Paul I read that the usual Allan Cup champs weren't sent that year, because of some controversy about professionals on the USA team. So they cobbled together the RCAF squad.

Dec 7, 2021 - 3:07:25 PM

donc

Canada

6831 posts since 2/9/2010

There is sometimes a positive economic fallout for hosting the Olympics. The tax dollars of many go to improve the profits of a few. Those who get the trickle down benefits don't complain. When the Olympics were here in 2010 it was one large spending spree. In the end this area probably prospered. The modern threat of terrorism is another gamble I don't want. With the telephone company I was involved in upgrading the video and radar coverage in the harbour and some local waterways. Too many 3rd world countries loose their shirt on this investment. When the party is over they go back to being bankrupt again. Telling China to shove it is O.K. by me. Until they show some respect for the human race I don't need their company.

Dec 7, 2021 - 3:17:02 PM
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Owen

Canada

10121 posts since 6/5/2011

Neither here nor there w.r.t  the topic: Several winter olympics back a CBC dude [maybe Scott Russell (?), he of the phoney, incessant ear-to-ear] was interviewing lady downhill skiers.... It might have been the Italian team, I don't recall.  He asked a couple about what they might be doing if they weren't skiers, their other talents, hobbies, etc., etc. and got the expected [scripted??] responses .... until he asked one what her best attribute was aside from her obvious skiing ability and got "My cleavage" for an answer. It was a radio interview... I'm not positive, but I think he managed to not swallow his Red Man (TM).

Dec 8, 2021 - 1:34:51 AM

phb

Germany

3113 posts since 11/8/2010

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Originally posted by wrench13

Far, far too much $$$ and attention is paid to sports, period, while the Arts and Science go sadly lacking.


Perhaps they could make speed-sculpting (wood and stone) and speed-painting (oil on canvas, water colours on paper etc.) Olympic disciplines?

Edited by - phb on 12/08/2021 01:36:54

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