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Dec 3, 2021 - 4:47:39 PM
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donc

Canada

6825 posts since 2/9/2010

My son is still driving his 2004 Toyota van. When he fills the tank it doubles in value if you get my drift. He rents a nice suite in an old area of Victoria near downtown. Yesterday was about the fourth time in a year that his car was burgled. Eventually his girlfriend figured out how to fix the lock which seem to fix it for awhile. All he had yesterday in the car was a used winter jacket but they somehow got in [or maybe the car wasn't' locked ?] For the value of the car it doesn't justify an alarm system worth hundreds of dollars. On the Amazon site I found a device the size of a cigarette package. It has 1 or 2 led's that flash or shine as long as the box gets enough of a solar charge during the day. It doesn't ring, screech, or call the cops. So why bother with it ? If a real professional crook cases out a jewelry store the first thing he may see is a metal box with lights near the back wall of the store. He may also see the ADT sticker on the front window. Aside from that he won't see an alarm communication interface or a line going to an alarm centre. Those items are often well out of sight. Many years ago I found an alarm horn at a garage sale for about $2. I don't know if it has ever fooled anyone but in the 30 years I've had it above the top deck in plane sight I haven't had a break in. We will never know how many burglaries have ever been avoided with only an alarm company sticker and a home made box with some small lights flickering in the dark.

Dec 3, 2021 - 6:13:42 PM
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PaulRF

Australia

3271 posts since 2/1/2012

I live in an apartment complex and every now and again a couple of thieves come through looking for items that they can snatch.  I have an outdoor storage cage that I keep my bicycle in that they recently tried to break into so I installed a dummy camera that has a good brand logo along with a led and stickers and have not had a problem since.

Dec 4, 2021 - 4:43:44 AM
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DC5

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When they built my school they put in CCTV cameras, but because of budget shortfalls, they only had them in a few places. The students figured out within days where they could smoke pot and have sex without being seen. I thought it was rather dumb to not put in dummy cameras everywhere so no one would know where the real cameras were.

Dec 4, 2021 - 8:04:47 AM
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kww

USA

1476 posts since 6/21/2008

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Originally posted by DC5

When they built my school they put in CCTV cameras, but because of budget shortfalls, they only had them in a few places. The students figured out within days where they could smoke pot and have sex without being seen. I thought it was rather dumb to not put in dummy cameras everywhere so no one would know where the real cameras were.


... and rotate them periodically late at night. Nothing more fruitful than a dummy camera that suddenly starts to work.

Dec 4, 2021 - 8:24:18 AM
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DC5

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quote:
Originally posted by kww
quote:
Originally posted by DC5

When they built my school they put in CCTV cameras, but because of budget shortfalls, they only had them in a few places. The students figured out within days where they could smoke pot and have sex without being seen. I thought it was rather dumb to not put in dummy cameras everywhere so no one would know where the real cameras were.


... and rotate them periodically late at night. Nothing more fruitful than a dummy camera that suddenly starts to work.


Actually all the cameras are in bubbles, and the cameras are not that visible, they just needed to put in bubbles in all hallways and stairwells.  I, unfortunately, walked in on and interrupted two students engaged in, er, uhm, a compromising position.  I did not want to see it, and really did not want to escort them to an assistant principal, but the job is what the job is.  This stairwell had no cameras in it, and non showing the entrances and exits from the stairwell.  I'd get high just walking down these stairs. 

Dec 5, 2021 - 6:05:55 PM
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Tommy5

USA

3973 posts since 2/22/2009

I just put up an old TV show poster on the lawn. Have Gun, Will Travel. So far so good.

Dec 6, 2021 - 2:01:07 AM
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phb

Germany

3112 posts since 11/8/2010

quote:
Originally posted by donc

I don't know if it has ever fooled anyone but in the 30 years I've had it above the top deck in plane sight I haven't had a break in. We will never know how many burglaries have ever been avoided with only an alarm company sticker and a home made box with some small lights flickering in the dark.


You clearly need a second house next to yours without the fake alarm next to yours to find out! :o)

Dec 6, 2021 - 8:05:32 AM

7370 posts since 9/5/2006

had and have an alarm system,,, unless you got cameras (which we do now) they are pretty useless if your at work... last time we got it ,, detective said he was probably in and out in 3 to 4 minutes. response time was 7 ,,just so happen there was a sheriff close by in the area the second time... first time we caught the guy in the house (before we had an alarm)..when i got here the sheriffs had it surrounded with about 10 officers.. the dude was hiding in the basement... a sergeant yelled in the back door "come on out or i am turning loose the dog". it didn't take but a few seconds and he gave up.
he had been in there a while,, it was totally ransacked.. garbage bags full of stuff stacked at the front door,,he even cleaned out the fridge !
come to find out every cop there knew him.. crack head been arrested 13 times before.. 52 years old..done cleaned out his parents and had been out 9 days when he hit us..
they left his old pick there in the upper drive ,,his dad was picking it up (it was his anyway) when they got there they told me how they had tried and tried to help him but it was a lost cause. i felt as bad for them as i did us.... his lawyer kept postponing the trial date ,,, and he got lost in the system,, a year and a half went by and we gave up..
but now we have a new system with cameras ,,but heck i am home about all the time now,,,, so ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Dec 6, 2021 - 8:11:46 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

26685 posts since 8/3/2003

I have an alarm system and the only problem I have with it..... my dog sets it off with his bark sometimes. I've had 3 false alarms because of the dog. Nothing the alarm company can do about it.

I've been lucky. Neighbors on both sides of me have been burgled/robed at one time or another but so far, I've been safe. Of course, now I'm home most of the time and the alarm stickers on the front, back and den doors might deter a criminal and if they can read. they say: protected by Smith & Wesson and another one says: Violators will be trespassed (Dave's bright idea).

Dec 6, 2021 - 8:58:21 AM
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2953 posts since 2/10/2013

First of all, amateur thieves and professionals are different animals. A law enforcement office once told me professional thieves avoid any type of disturbance that would draw attention. A loud barking dog will accomplish this. Years ago when I lived in Orlando FL I would see a guy driving a van full of dogs around in the late afternoon. I asked someone about this. I was told the driver rented dogs to places where they functioned as overnight security.

I don't know if the author was joking or not, but I once read about a place that had a large sign in the window warning about large dangerous snake.

Dec 6, 2021 - 10:35:18 AM
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chuckv97

Canada

61493 posts since 10/5/2013

My sign reads “An insane banjo player lives here”

Dec 6, 2021 - 10:47:33 AM

donc

Canada

6825 posts since 2/9/2010

quote:
Originally posted by phb
quote:
Originally posted by donc

I don't know if it has ever fooled anyone but in the 30 years I've had it above the top deck in plane sight I haven't had a break in. We will never know how many burglaries have ever been avoided with only an alarm company sticker and a home made box with some small lights flickering in the dark.


You clearly need a second house next to yours without the fake alarm next to yours to find out! :o)

 


Actually the house next to mine has the same floor plan. The lady has a shop in her basement where she fixes and adjusts expensive fur coats.  They are delivered to the place continually.  She has more alarms than the local bank plus bars on all the main floor windows. That probably makes my place more attractive to a typical burgler.

Dec 6, 2021 - 11:30:33 AM
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DC5

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I'm told that putting up a "Beware of Dog" sign can create a liability because you are advertising that you have a dangerous dog. I don't know if the Protected by Smith and Wesson signs hold the same liability. I have a neighbor with a sign that has a picture of a German Shepard and the sign says "I can make it from the front door to the fence in 7 seconds. Can you? My local Motorcycle shop has a sign saying that the owner is licensed and carries a firearm, and there is absolutely nothing in the shop that is worth risking your life for. Another friend owns a liquor store and he always has his 9mm openly displayed on his hip. He's never had a robbery, even though the two other stores in town have been robbed.

Dec 6, 2021 - 12:43:15 PM
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dat

USA

31738 posts since 7/26/2006

Dog on premises sign is legally better than a beware of dog sign, if you’re wanting to CYA

I like a dog that barks, all the labs ive had will make all kinds of noise when a stranger comes around, bark and growl enough to make you stay in your vehicle, but then once you call them by name they roll over and expect a belly rub

Edited by - dat on 12/06/2021 12:46:13

Dec 6, 2021 - 2:13:23 PM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

26685 posts since 8/3/2003

There's a sign in my front window (another of Dave's signs) that says: "Bad Ass Dog on Duty". The funny thing about the sign, at least to me, is at the time we had one 4 pound poodle as the bad dog! I now have a 5 pound Chihuahua and a 12 pound poodle as the bad dogs.

I'd love for someone to report that I had a dangerous dog and a cop come to the door to see them. I think it would be good for a laugh for the cop as they tried to lick his hands and face.

Dec 6, 2021 - 3:02:36 PM

75315 posts since 5/9/2007

My house is known for having a bunch of folks visiting for music and 9 ball.
Not a good environment for any bad apples.

Dec 6, 2021 - 3:12:29 PM

chuckv97

Canada

61493 posts since 10/5/2013

quote:
Originally posted by steve davis

My house is known for having a bunch of folks visiting for music and 9 ball.
Not a good environment for any bad apples.


Steve, you mean you all resort to violence over song selection and sewer balls??....

Dec 6, 2021 - 3:34:36 PM
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75315 posts since 5/9/2007

No.We resort to strength in numbers.Where do you get sewer balls from?

Edited by - steve davis on 12/06/2021 15:35:40

Dec 6, 2021 - 3:58:14 PM

Owen

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This site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_cue_sports_terms  says a sewer in pool is: 

pocket; usually used in disgust when describing a scratch (e.g., "the cue ball's gone down the sewer").
 
Dec 6, 2021 - 4:02:26 PM
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4495 posts since 12/6/2009

quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

My sign reads “An insane banjo player lives here”


my sign just says ---Banjo Player Lives here--- even the mail man tosses the mail on the lawn on his way by at high speed

Dec 6, 2021 - 4:31:14 PM
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2472 posts since 7/20/2004

Years ago I used to have an ISPC target on the wall of my store, with a nice neat grouping in center mass that I shot with my S&W 642, with the logo "shoplifters will be perforated."

Dec 6, 2021 - 5:25:40 PM

chuckv97

Canada

61493 posts since 10/5/2013

quote:
Originally posted by steve davis

No.We resort to strength in numbers.Where do you get sewer balls from?


See Manitoba Owen's research post.  Sewer balls is what we called it around S. Ontario/W. NY State.  We called missing all balls a scratch. You call the one balls "cherries"?

Edited by - chuckv97 on 12/06/2021 17:28:10

Dec 6, 2021 - 7:09:16 PM

RonR

USA

1888 posts since 11/29/2012

I caught a young guy from 2 blocks up the street looking in my bedroom window at 11:30 one night.
Prior to that, I was told, he had stolen flowers and a gas can from my yard. I roughed him up pretty good. The cops took him away. Years later I would see him in passing and we would talk. I came to feel bad for what I had done. He had no parental guidance and had become a hard drug abuser.

Dec 6, 2021 - 10:46:31 PM

Paul R

Canada

15370 posts since 1/28/2010

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Hauser

First of all, amateur thieves and professionals are different animals. A law enforcement office once told me professional thieves avoid any type of disturbance that would draw attention. A loud barking dog will accomplish this. Years ago when I lived in Orlando FL I would see a guy driving a van full of dogs around in the late afternoon. I asked someone about this. I was told the driver rented dogs to places where they functioned as overnight security.

I don't know if the author was joking or not, but I once read about a place that had a large sign in the window warning about large dangerous snake.


One of the guitar dealers would put one in his van when at a festival.

We had our car "smashed and grabbed" in an outdoor hotel parking lot in Toronto several years ago. We'd taken everything of value out of it. All the thief got was a key to our community mailbox in Kingston. Was he going to hold our phone bills for ransom? We waited two hours for a call back from the Toronto Police only to discover that they no longer come to the scene of such crimes - they're too common. The delay caused us to miss the funeral of a good friend. That still upsets me much more than the actual crime.

Dec 7, 2021 - 1:03:41 AM
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phb

Germany

3112 posts since 11/8/2010

quote:
Originally posted by dat

I like a dog that barks, all the labs ive had will make all kinds of noise when a stranger comes around, bark and growl enough to make you stay in your vehicle, but then once you call them by name they roll over and expect a belly rub


A few years ago we rented a holiday home on the island of Mallorca/Spain. When we arrived I wanted to go to the landlady's house to pick up the keys when I saw a pitbull running straight towards me. I froze on the spot but the dog kept running, mouth wide open. The dog stopped one foot in front of me, rolled on its side (rolled on my shoes, in fact) and expected a belly rub. Great watch dog that had a big bulldog as a companion that all this time only stood and stared (that's what the bulldog did most of the time). For some unknown reason the pitbull had a crush on me. It would even dig its way under the fence between the two houses and repeat the above behaviour each time it saw me.

Dec 7, 2021 - 6:03:31 AM
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75315 posts since 5/9/2007

quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis

No.We resort to strength in numbers.Where do you get sewer balls from?


See Manitoba Owen's research post.  Sewer balls is what we called it around S. Ontario/W. NY State.  We called missing all balls a scratch. You call the one balls "cherries"?


I guess we have a language barrier.I call cherries "cherries. 

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