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Nov 9, 2021 - 8:41:08 PM
58637 posts since 12/14/2005

 Beginner  Student wants to learn the Bert Jansch version of "Waggoner's Lad

https://youtu.be/uLQrVrUEdwM

BUT!  with so many flourishes, and NO LYRICS, I  can't ell if it's the same MELODY as Doc Watson's version

https://youtu.be/xVzOmVTiNRE

I am MOST familiar with the Joan Baez  version, ALL lyrics, NO banjo.

https://youtu.be/_Vuf25juzyI

I cannot tell if the melody of  Doc's version is somewhere in there, among the notes in  Bert's version.

Nov 9, 2021 - 9:01:12 PM

OK-4

USA

474 posts since 3/18/2011

If it is the same tune, I cannot hear it. Doc Watson's melody is pretty much the same as Buell Kazee's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qm3xAb7Iwk

Nov 9, 2021 - 9:15:49 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

25543 posts since 6/25/2005

I hear bits here and there, so Jansch might have started with it—but along the way, he lost it.

Nov 10, 2021 - 3:20:21 AM

hoodoo

Canada

811 posts since 10/6/2017

Never heard of Bert Jansch, but I definitely recognized the riff from the Bron Yr Ar Stomp.

The Doc Watson version sounds a lot like the version played by Buell Kazee

Nov 10, 2021 - 3:56:09 AM
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Heady

USA

140 posts since 4/25/2021

quote:
Originally posted by hoodoo

Never heard of Bert Jansch, but I definitely recognized the riff from the Bron Yr Ar Stomp.

The Doc Watson version sounds a lot like the version played by Buell Kazee


Bert's ghost will be paying you a visit.

Also - not banjo, but: 

 https://youtu.be/hkX7Q2J7k48

Nov 10, 2021 - 4:01:19 AM
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hoodoo

Canada

811 posts since 10/6/2017

quote:
Originally posted by Heady
quote:
Originally posted by hoodoo

Never heard of Bert Jansch, but I definitely recognized the riff from the Bron Yr Ar Stomp.

The Doc Watson version sounds a lot like the version played by Buell Kazee


Bert's ghost will be paying you a visit.

Also - not banjo, but: 

 https://youtu.be/hkX7Q2J7k48


Let me be more precise, I recognized the riff from Bron-Yr-Au-Stomp that was clearly "borrowed" from Bert Jansch

Nov 10, 2021 - 9:49:49 PM

Heady

USA

140 posts since 4/25/2021

quote:
Originally posted by hoodoo
quote:
Originally posted by Head
 

Let me be more precise, I recognized the riff from Bron-Yr-Au-Stomp that was clearly "borrowed" from Bert Jansch


I was just joking around. I don't believe in ghosts.

 

Bert made a joke about Jimmy "learning from" him. It was his bandmate Jacqui who found it really, to use her word, "annoying" that Page never cited the clearly Bert arrangement of the traditionals that served as the inspo.

Nov 11, 2021 - 9:50:28 AM

7384 posts since 11/4/2005

The banjo player in the Jansch recording starts out and ends with a very stylized, impressionist version of the traditional melody that Kazee, Watson and Baez use, but through most of it, they are just jamming on a few riffs. I know I used to play this, but I can't remember how I did it, and I can't find anything written down. Oh well.

Nov 11, 2021 - 10:33:22 AM

cevant

USA

302 posts since 2/5/2020

Edited by - cevant on 11/11/2021 10:35:30

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