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Oct 23, 2021 - 12:43:54 PM
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58462 posts since 12/14/2005

Instead of A MAJOR, these guys did an old favorite in A MINOR,
and the line "You'll regret it all, some day!" takes on an air of terrifying  menace!

 

Oct 23, 2021 - 12:49:54 PM

banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

11691 posts since 2/22/2007

These guys always get so much from a minimal arrangement, love it.

Oct 23, 2021 - 2:28:07 PM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

26513 posts since 8/3/2003

To each his or her own. I prefer the original version in A major. The minor sounds makes it a very sad sounding song.

Oct 23, 2021 - 2:35:11 PM

58462 posts since 12/14/2005

Egg-zakly!
A very sad song, indeed, they way they did it.
I, too, prefer the happy bouncy version.

Some years back, we were booked at a Halloween party, and we did several ghostly songs, but also did that one, in the major key.
But when it came tome to do the verse including "you'll regret it all, some day", we just strummed the major chords, while my bother Greg , in a VERY GOOD Boris Karloff voice, recited the lyrics.
Downright scary.

Oct 23, 2021 - 2:36:37 PM
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12417 posts since 6/2/2008

RK-35/36 in a professional video.

Oct 23, 2021 - 2:52:24 PM
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58462 posts since 12/14/2005

I've never seen an RK banjo that I didn't like.
Even the ones at the bottom of the price range were a delight to play.

Oct 23, 2021 - 3:25:57 PM

68 posts since 6/23/2015

What is that roll the banjo is doin???

Oct 23, 2021 - 3:46:20 PM
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rcc56

USA

3841 posts since 2/20/2016

A lot of it is a combination of thumb, pinch, and old fashioned double thumbing, as outlined in Pete Seeger's "How to Play the 5-string Banjo."  Originally written in 1948.  The third edition was released in 1962: next year will mark the 60th year that edition has been continuously in print.  There's a reason for that.   Lots of stuff in there.  Every banjo player should read through it.

Earl Scruggs frequently used a similar pattern for back up.

T-pinch-TITM repeated over and over.  

Edited by - rcc56 on 10/23/2021 16:04:38

Oct 23, 2021 - 4:04:48 PM

12417 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by fuelaltered

What is that roll the banjo is doin???


To me, the backup sounds like an 8-count square roll: thumb-null-thumb-middle-thumb-index-thumb-middle.  "Null" means pick nothing on the count of "and" after 1.  Count the whole thing "one and two and three and four and."  You can probably switch index and middle depending on which note you want to hit.

Even if there's more of a "roll" to it, I believe he's almost always treating the first note of eight as a quarter (or an eighth followed by a rest).

Edited to add: I missing the pinch Bob's hearing. But that works, too. If there's a Pinch, then the first note and pinch are both quarters: One __ Two __ three and four and.

The solo sounds like a lot of thumb-index two-finger. He's going after melody. Then it ends with a basic three-finger descending melodic lick.

Edited by - Old Hickory on 10/23/2021 16:07:45

Oct 23, 2021 - 4:21:24 PM

rcc56

USA

3841 posts since 2/20/2016

You can do it with thumb plus index and middle, or with just the thumb and index. Either way will work.
Somewhere along the way, I'm sure a few old-timers probably did it with thumb and middle.

The idea is ancient-- people were probably doing something similar before the bass string was added to the banjo

The idea of converting a theme from major to minor is much more ancient-- it was an already a very old idea when Mozart used it.

A great fiddle tune is Gilderoy, which is Red Haired Boy in the minor. Gilderoy might even have come first.

Edited by - rcc56 on 10/23/2021 16:32:16

Oct 24, 2021 - 9:20:08 AM
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2863 posts since 2/10/2013

The video demonstrates how good a specific tune will sound depends on what the players do with the tune. So there are no "bad" tunes, just tunes not played in an interesting and competent manner.

Oct 24, 2021 - 12:30:31 PM
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DC5

USA

21177 posts since 6/30/2015

Wow! Spooky, and interesting. Funny how a simple change alters the entire mood of a song. My cousin, a piano player, likes to do a similar thing by turning all songs into bouncy Irish tunes. His Irish version of Silent Night had me rolling.

Oct 24, 2021 - 1:23:38 PM

7022 posts since 9/5/2006

love it,,these have a way of bringing new meat to the table with old songs.

Oct 24, 2021 - 1:47:51 PM

58462 posts since 12/14/2005

quote:
Originally posted by DC5

Wow! Spooky, and interesting. Funny how a simple change alters the entire mood of a song. My cousin, a piano player, likes to do a similar thing by turning all songs into bouncy Irish tunes. His Irish version of Silent Night had me rolling.


Could you coax him into posting a video or an MP3 of that, and sending me the link?

Oct 25, 2021 - 5:15:35 AM
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DC5

USA

21177 posts since 6/30/2015

quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory
quote:
Originally posted by DC5

Wow! Spooky, and interesting. Funny how a simple change alters the entire mood of a song. My cousin, a piano player, likes to do a similar thing by turning all songs into bouncy Irish tunes. His Irish version of Silent Night had me rolling.


Could you coax him into posting a video or an MP3 of that, and sending me the link?


I'll see what I can do.  I've only seen him do it at parties where he's just fooling around.

Edit to add: Basically just shout out every third sylable.  SILent night HOLey night ALL is calm ALL is bright.  Do it with an Irish accent.

Edited by - DC5 on 10/25/2021 05:27:47

Oct 26, 2021 - 1:47:56 AM

phb

Germany

3044 posts since 11/8/2010

As a non-native speaker of the English language I find that I usually don't pay much attention to lyrics. For this reason I didn't know the lyrics of "You Are My Sunshine" other than the chorus. I always assumed it was a happy song. Now this version of the song made me listen to the lyrics and I must say that the minor mood fits the lyrics much better than the standard version. Did they change/extend the lyrics (or Johnny Cash, I am listening to his recording just now)? Or are some verses not sung in the "happy" version of the song (is there a happy version)? Was I the only one that thought it was a happy song? I liked the happy song but find this version more interesting.

Oct 26, 2021 - 5:13:36 AM
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58462 posts since 12/14/2005

It was always done as an upbeat, happy song.
It is the Official State Song of the state of KANSAS.
They apparently didn't think of "You'll regret it all, some day" as a threat to KILL anyone, but as a comment that

"If you leave me, to love another, you'll eventually realize that I loved you far more deeply  and honestly than whoever you chose instead of me, and THEN you'll feel regret."

As to changing lyrics:

As is my long-standing habit,  with almost every song I've ever heard, I wrote a parody verse, by simply changing a very few words:

"The other night dear,
As I lay sleeping,
I dreamed I held you in my arms.
When I awoken,
I was mistoken....
So I hung my wife in the barn!"

Oct 26, 2021 - 7:46:35 AM

phb

Germany

3044 posts since 11/8/2010

But if it was indeed considered a happy song, where did this verse come from:

I've always loved you and made you happy
And nothing else could come between
But now you've left me, to love another
You have shattered all of my dreams

Has it always been part of the song? Was it omitted to make the song happier?

Oct 26, 2021 - 9:01:57 AM
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58462 posts since 12/14/2005

Always been there.
But a lot of sad or violent lyrics were removed from the versions published in children's songbooks.

I was singing "She'll Be Coming 'Round the Mountain", to a bunch of 4 to 6 year olds at a school, and when I sang "And we'll kill the old red rooster when she comes!", a little angel in the first row got an expression on her face like I had sung
"We will microwave your kitten...!"

A teacher later explained that THEIR school doesn't SING that verse, as they consider it "too violent"!!

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