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Oct 19, 2021 - 4:22:30 AM
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34440 posts since 3/5/2008

Now today ..$500.00 only fills the fuel tank for a day..

$ is an illootion folks....

N.. the cricises of today are ..createted...

Just to keep us ..dancing....

Oct 19, 2021 - 5:53:34 AM
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dat

USA

31556 posts since 7/26/2006

You spend what you make

Oct 19, 2021 - 9:43:01 AM
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58462 posts since 12/14/2005

Seeing as we can't discuss religion, nor politics, who ya gonna BLAME?
Can't say Jews, Commies, Democrats, Catholics, all of whom were some of Mankind's most recent favorite scapegoats.

But we tend to WANT to be able to focus our anger on SOMEBODY!

Oct 19, 2021 - 9:51:47 AM
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dat

USA

31556 posts since 7/26/2006

I believe it’s gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.

I'm gonna blame Mr. Mike Gregory, i think it's everything going up so much because of the research on developing a new hat

Edited by - dat on 10/19/2021 09:53:44

Oct 19, 2021 - 10:16:22 AM
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banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

11691 posts since 2/22/2007

In my best Dylan voice----
"steal a little and they THROW you in JAIL, steal a LOT and they make you a KINNNNNNGGGG"

The theft being done to ALL of us, by devaluing our money, is the greatest theft in history. Naming culprits is off limits but I'll just say that Mike's list is incomplete and the result will be Royalty in everything except name and decorum.

Oct 19, 2021 - 10:25:45 AM

chuckv97

Canada

60400 posts since 10/5/2013

Price of gas went up because of money devaluing? What happened to our glorious “the market will decide”?

Oct 19, 2021 - 11:05:46 AM
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banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

11691 posts since 2/22/2007

The market has recognized that US dollars are not worth very much right now. That is what happened. Don't get too happy about that as most other currencies are just as untrustworthy, which is the only factor propping up our reserve currency status.

Edited by - banjo bill-e on 10/19/2021 11:06:02

Oct 19, 2021 - 11:11:12 AM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

25392 posts since 6/25/2005

Most folks would be glad to gross $130,000 per year—even now.

Oct 19, 2021 - 11:24:01 AM
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dat

USA

31556 posts since 7/26/2006

I would be happy with a raise like that for sure.

that's almost twice my salary and my bride doesn't work

Edited by - dat on 10/19/2021 11:25:36

Oct 19, 2021 - 11:24:15 AM

Tommy5

USA

3942 posts since 2/22/2009

Oil is the new gold standard. The world markets run on petrodollars. Remember fiat currency has no intrinsic value, it’s just a medium of exchange. The only way to stop inflation would be to outlaw making interest off of money, that was actually done sort of in the Middle Ages, I’m not sure how that would even be possible now, if you have an idea, there an award waiting for you in Oslo.

Oct 19, 2021 - 11:28:33 AM

Owen

Canada

9799 posts since 6/5/2011

..... gross?   ...net?    

Oct 19, 2021 - 11:29:15 AM

10563 posts since 8/22/2006

When you hold the keys to the money printing machines then you can make chickens dance.

Now there’s a verses to a good old protest song

But you better not complain or they will call you insane and lull you into a trance

Take away your pride with a knife in your side and call it a dance.

Edited by - 5B-Ranch on 10/19/2021 11:42:19

Oct 19, 2021 - 1:04:51 PM
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12676 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

Most folks would be glad to gross $130,000 per year—even now.


Bill .....minus $130,000  =  0

All of those delighted with the gross will not be too happy with the  netsmiley

Oct 19, 2021 - 4:04:21 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

25392 posts since 6/25/2005

Or why you should always charge $xxx plus expenses.

Oct 19, 2021 - 4:38:56 PM
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rcc56

USA

3841 posts since 2/20/2016

Some of you may remember that about 15 or 20 years ago, a well known public figure, responded to "What, we don't have enough money?" with the following solution:  "Print some more."

It kind of worked.  For a little while.

Oct 19, 2021 - 5:06:43 PM

745 posts since 5/22/2021

I think, instead of blaming politics or companies or religious groups, or anything like that, we SHOULD ALL BLAME OURSELVES.

That way, no one would point away from themselves!

Russ A.

Oct 19, 2021 - 8:07:44 PM
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banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

11691 posts since 2/22/2007

No, we should not blame ourselves because we had nothing to do with it. We should first blame President Richard Nixon and his circle of enablers who bought into the something-for-nothing fantasies of John Maynard Keynes and in 1971 decoupled the US Dollar from Gold. Many of today's negative economic trends for anyone not rich began to be accelerated shortly after we decoupled the dollar from gold and let our currency "float". The ability to create money out of thin air proved irresistible to elected officials as one could promise the moon without having to raise taxes to pay for it.
Worse, we had to endure such charades as price controls on groceries, as if rising prices were the cause and not the symptom! Ridiculous programs like WIN! trotted out, with idiots wearing buttons that read Whip Inflation Now!---as if the actions of citizens had anything AT ALL to do with the dilution of their money's value. They do not. The big money people understand the game, and so they win at it. The man on the street did not, and does not, and continues to daily lose the value for which they worked and saved. Fifty years later the chickens are coming home to roost.

Oct 19, 2021 - 8:19:16 PM
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Owen

Canada

9799 posts since 6/5/2011

Bill-e, as I've stated before, I'm no economist, but I wonder if it's the big money peoples' chickens,  or the man on the streets chickens that are coming home to roost? 

Maybe somebody will chip in with a rendition of "Only  A Pawn in Their Game."

Oct 19, 2021 - 9:12:54 PM

12676 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

Or why you should always charge $xxx plus expenses.


Yep ...... that's what I do.  I used to visit potential clients for free on the chance that they would wind up hiring me.  I still do at certain facilities if the owner is genuine and not just trying to pick my brain for information.  For the facilities that I know are just trying to get free information I charge them a daily fee plus direct travel expenses and tell them if they wind up hiring me I will give them credit for what I have been paid.

Oct 20, 2021 - 2:00:59 AM

figmo59

USA

34440 posts since 3/5/2008

John...
We here get a few brain pickers too..

They get weeded out..N put asside ...PDQ....


N then there are thos rare people...
That actually come back n admit...
We should'ah went with you...
You told us a strait story....

Most folks do not admit it after the fact...
But they did get spanked.....

Oct 20, 2021 - 3:13:13 AM

3853 posts since 4/29/2012

What should we call somebody who complains that their daily wage is well over twice the average for their country ? Or somebody who complains that their net income is far more than the gross income that most of their compatriots have to survive on ? Would 'cry-baby' be appropriate ?

And I'm not even going to bother with a response to a political post that would put me in the invidious position of having to defend Richard Nixon.

Oct 20, 2021 - 7:27:08 AM

12676 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by figmo59

John...
We here get a few brain pickers too..

They get weeded out..N put asside ...PDQ....


N then there are thos rare people...
That actually come back n admit...
We should'ah went with you...
You told us a strait story....

Most folks do not admit it after the fact...
But they did get spanked.....


I just lost (or didn't get) a job at a facility just a half hour drive from here when they decided they did not need an architect.  In the meantime, I made two trips there, prepared a cost estimate for the project, got the club two contractors to bid on the project (called each of them several times), had to get all of the measurements off Google Earth to compute the cost estimate and bid sheets, wrote specifications for the project.  I asked two of the contractors to put enough money in their bids to cover my fee, as I knew the club was leaning toward not hiring an architect, but for some reason was OK with a design build.  The third contractor, whom the club got and was not qualified, did not add anything for my fee, as I was not going to work with them anyway.

Long story short ....... I did all of the work because I know the superintendent (a young guy .... fist head superintendent's job) and wanted to make sure that the project turned out well and made him look good.  He called a couple of days ago and said that they had hired the unqualified contractor and they did not need an architect.  Funny, that they sure needed one to get the project bid and started!  The sad part is that it will probably turn out OK, but they will never know how good it could have been.  I guess the term "ignorance is bliss" is indeed correct!

Oct 20, 2021 - 7:35:44 AM

12676 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by figmo59

John...
We here get a few brain pickers too..

They get weeded out..N put asside ...PDQ....


N then there are thos rare people...
That actually come back n admit...
We should'ah went with you...
You told us a strait story....

Most folks do not admit it after the fact...
But they did get spanked.....


Funny Al, but it used to be if you did shoddy work word would get around and bad contractors would not get work and go out of business.  I'm working on a project now where the designer literally told the owner's right hand man  to "go xxxx yourself and tell Joe and Bob (names concealed to protect the innocent) they can xxxx themselves too".  He then threw a penny down on the ground and said "I haven't made a xxxxxxx penny on this job".  The project was almost finished and of course this guy will never set foot back on that property.  It's funny, but this is not the first client that had that same experience with him ....... but he leeps getting jobs.  No one will give someone a bad reference anymore because they are afraid of getting sued.

Oct 20, 2021 - 11:35:47 AM

figmo59

USA

34440 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

Or why you should always charge $xxx plus expenses.


Here is what really happens...

Nuclear power plant being built cost..+...

 

Buy all new tools...big bucks..

Use them on first phase...

Place..all those tools on the ground...

Run the over with a bulldozer...

Buy...all new tools......

Rinse n repeat.....

Just to get the cost...up...

10% of a billion is better..N 10% of a million...

Oct 20, 2021 - 1:06:52 PM

figmo59

USA

34440 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

Most folks would be glad to gross $130,000 per year—even now.


I do not understand yer point Bill..

 

If today we grossed 130k...

We would be about apx..275 to 300 k..

In the hole...

 

Why do you think most folks would be happy losing that kind of money each year..?

Edited by - figmo59 on 10/20/2021 13:12:06

Oct 20, 2021 - 1:16:21 PM

Owen

Canada

9799 posts since 6/5/2011

Most folks .... i.e. 50% + 1.    My take is that "most folks"  are working for somebody else.... hourly, monthly, yearly rate.... with relatively low input costs???   But [supposedly] I've been wrong before.  wink

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