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Oct 18, 2021 - 10:19:47 AM
364 posts since 1/26/2020

The banjo in question is here. It looks like the love child of a Stewart Presentation and a Luscomb 1888 double spun rim.

ebay.com/itm/Antique-Vintage-c...32-2357-0

Blaine

Oct 18, 2021 - 10:26:40 AM

1599 posts since 5/19/2018

That really is beautiful.

I’m going to put money on the fact the neck is new.

Most likely a nice player.

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:02:36 AM
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staceyz

Canada

147 posts since 5/30/2010

J.B. Schall

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:06:48 AM
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6556 posts since 9/21/2007

J. B. Schall or built with Schall supplied parts. While a fancy banjo, the "presentation grade" designation is a bit optimistic.

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:08:42 AM

364 posts since 1/26/2020

quote:
Originally posted by Joel Hooks

J. B. Schall or built with Schall supplied parts. While a fancy banjo, the "presentation grade" designation is a bit optimistic.


That heel carving prompted my designation. I mean, no it isn't Stewart level, but it's there.

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:18:37 AM
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6556 posts since 9/21/2007

Lots of banjos have carved heels. I was referring to the seller calling it that.

No doubt it is a fancy banjo, but to me it is not at that "presentation" level as classified by banjo builders.

That said, a plain banjo could be a "presentation" banjo if it was presented to someone. Those usually have engraving of the receiver's name and possibly the date or event.

People (typically sellers) toss that "presentation" designation around pretty freely.

Oct 18, 2021 - 12:30:09 PM
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rmcdow

USA

1035 posts since 11/8/2014

It is inlayed with a rectangular MOP piece that is similar to that on other banjos that have the name added later to it. I've never seen brackets like that before; has anyone else? The lion carving on the heel is great; wish I could duplicate that on a banjo I am working on now..

Oct 18, 2021 - 12:51:12 PM
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6556 posts since 9/21/2007

quote:
Originally posted by rmcdow

It is inlayed with a rectangular MOP piece that is similar to that on other banjos that have the name added later to it. I've never seen brackets like that before; has anyone else? The lion carving on the heel is great; wish I could duplicate that on a banjo I am working on now..


Yes, on Schall banjos.

Oct 18, 2021 - 2:57:19 PM

2762 posts since 3/30/2008

While the word "presentation" once had the narrow specific meaning of a fancy instrument w/ an engraved name, date or event, it has now entered the language in colloquial usage to mean an especially ornate, carved, plated, engraved item, etc. The term may be slightly overused, but buyers have come to accept a common meaning that an unusual, & beautiful instrument is being offered.

Oct 18, 2021 - 6:10:43 PM

1643 posts since 2/9/2007

Surely that isn't a Schall-made neck. There are a lot of things about that neck that make it look way newer than the rim to me. Very nice, but no way that's "all-original c.1906" IMO. The rim's likely older than that, and I, along with Alvin, would bet that the neck is much newer.

Oct 18, 2021 - 7:10:01 PM
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6556 posts since 9/21/2007

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Originally posted by Dan Gellert

Surely that isn't a Schall-made neck. There are a lot of things about that neck that make it look way newer than the rim to me. Very nice, but no way that's "all-original c.1906" IMO. The rim's likely older than that, and I, along with Alvin, would bet that the neck is much newer.


If this is a much newer neck, they went to a lot of trouble to use faded period correct acid dyed maple/hardwood for the fingerboard.

Another detail that "modern" builders nearly always get wrong is the frets on the neck for larger banjos.  They try to cram on 22 while this one has the proper 20 that goes with a larger rim and long scale.  Then there are the champion pegs, why would a modern builder use those?

Nah, this one looks like an early 1900 neck to me. Birdseye maple, proper styling, long scale, faded to brown (and waiting to crumble) fingerboard, and period correct scale.  I could be wrong but this one looks like late era comeback Schall to me. 

Here are some others...

https://reverb.com/item/30922546-circa-1900-s-j-b-schall-banjo-engraved-inlays-and-rim

http://www.jbschall.com/

Oct 18, 2021 - 7:21:58 PM

1495 posts since 3/1/2012

Interesting to me that they went to all the trouble to carve that gorgeous lion head heel carving, engrave the rim, put in some fairly intricate inlay…but didn’t engrave the inlay.

Oct 18, 2021 - 7:22:28 PM

csacwp

USA

2937 posts since 1/15/2014

quote:
Originally posted by Dan Gellert

Surely that isn't a Schall-made neck. There are a lot of things about that neck that make it look way newer than the rim to me. Very nice, but no way that's "all-original c.1906" IMO. The rim's likely older than that, and I, along with Alvin, would bet that the neck is much newer.


Everything about this neck looks right to me, especially for c. 1906. The rim also looks right for a reboot Schall. 

Oct 19, 2021 - 2:36:01 AM
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1796 posts since 1/13/2012

It's an original Schall neck. I have seen several others like it, some of which were marked. Schall's later work differed considerably from his earlier efforts... the later stuff was a bit more conventional, in terms of design.

Oct 19, 2021 - 2:56:52 AM

1629 posts since 12/26/2007

Yep, those shoes are pretty distinctive...... I agree w/ the Schall comments on the pot.

FWIW, mine, which is a Schall-made or Schall-equipped Baxter/Waldo, also has a pretty unique device to snug the pot to the neck.




Edited by - Mark Ralston on 10/19/2021 02:58:08

Oct 19, 2021 - 11:44:45 AM
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165 posts since 2/5/2014

J. B. Schall died in rather dramatic fashion in 1907. See attached PDF.


Oct 19, 2021 - 12:01 PM

1599 posts since 5/19/2018

Bob -

Unbelievable post. Great research. Poignant finish.

Oct 25, 2021 - 3:54:26 PM
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364 posts since 1/26/2020

$2600 final price
Sheesh!

Blaine

Oct 26, 2021 - 6:24:24 PM
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1568 posts since 1/13/2006

Agree that it is Schall. As someone who has been obsessed with heel carvings, I also think the neck is original. I am not aware of any modern era neck builder who has done anything quite along those lines, especially with the finish, and wood trim as others pointed out. Those who could have, would have engraved the pearl for sure, I know I would have, it screams out for a little engraving, and that would have taken it to a very high or presentation level if done well. All in all, it is a neat piece and in great shape.

Oct 28, 2021 - 9:21:37 AM
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2233 posts since 1/4/2009

quote:
Originally posted by tbchappe

$2600 final price
Sheesh!

Blaine


record price for a schall id say!

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