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Oct 18, 2021 - 9:05:25 AM
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Colin Powell, 4 Star General, the first African American Secretary of State and former Chief of Staff of the U.S. Military passed away this morning due to complications from Covid-19. Mr. Powell was a class act all around, and I had always wished he had run for president, but he did not care much for politics.

I got to see him speak when he came to our school to speak to our students. He had an amazing story of how he was a troubled youth growing up fatherless in NYC, and how his mother finally sent him to military school because she was afraid he would end up in prison, or dead. He, at first, hated it, and tried to get out but on a call to his mother she said this was his last chance, and that he could not come home. Once he gave up trying to get out, he found that he actually liked it, and that he found himself there in the military and went on to become a general. We had several speakers at our school, including Liz Murray, Erin Grewal, Ben Carson, The 3 Doctors, and every year the students got release time and the afternoon the teachers got to meet the speaker. Colin Powell did not want to meet with the teachers, he wanted to meet with the students, so that year the students did not get a release time day, but returned to the school and Mr. Powell did a tour of the shops and several classrooms, speaking with students wherever he went. He even walked through the cafeteria during lunch and shook hands and spoke with many students. Unfortunately he did not come to my classroom, so I did not get to meet him personally, but I was so impressed at what he did for our students.

Rest in Peace General.

Oct 18, 2021 - 9:58:26 AM

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I fully agree with the OP's statement that Colin Powell "was a class act all around". However I have to disagree with a few of the details.

According to Wikipedia (accessed 10/18/2021) Powell graduated from the (now closed) Morris High School in the South Bronx in 1954. There is no mention of his father dying or otherwise leaving the family. Powell's first military training was ROTC at City College of New York, from which he graduated in 1958. After graduating from CCNY, Powell was commissioned a second lieutenant in the U.S. army and went on to an illustrious career in the army and later.

Oct 18, 2021 - 10:16:09 AM
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banjo bill-e

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He was complicit in hundreds of thousands of innocent deaths and trillions in fraudulent wealth accumulating to the MIC oligarchy, and this country will never recover from that. Never. He was not the evil instigator and not the clueless puppet, but he was complicit. I will agree that he was a class act and a man of accomplishments and I would bet that he had deep regrets in his private moments. How history will judge him will depend upon who writes it.

Oct 18, 2021 - 10:33:52 AM
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Owen

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Bill-e: "How history will judge him will depend upon who writes it."

Ditto for the cause of  his demise.

May he rest in peace.

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:00:17 AM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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He suffered (and that is the right word) from multiple myeloma. Both that cancer and the treatment knocked down his immune system, making him far more susceptible to other diseases. The COVID vaccine was clearly not enough.

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:11:29 AM

chuckv97

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RIP Colin Powell. I’m not sure why complications from Covid-19 often gets discredited as a cause of death. Oops, I’m treading on verboten territory

Edited by - chuckv97 on 10/18/2021 11:12:09

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:11:40 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Half Barbaric Twanger

I fully agree with the OP's statement that Colin Powell "was a class act all around". However I have to disagree with a few of the details.

According to Wikipedia (accessed 10/18/2021) Powell graduated from the (now closed) Morris High School in the South Bronx in 1954. There is no mention of his father dying or otherwise leaving the family. Powell's first military training was ROTC at City College of New York, from which he graduated in 1958. After graduating from CCNY, Powell was commissioned a second lieutenant in the U.S. army and went on to an illustrious career in the army and later.


There's what Wikipedia says, and there's what I heard Colin Powell say himself. 

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:11:56 AM
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dat

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There goes Bill bringing up that C word, What a trouble maker  wink

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:14:36 AM
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dat

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quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

RIP Colin Powell. I’m not sure why complications from Covid-19 often gets discredited as a cause of death. Oops, I’m treading on verboten territory


You'll get yer knuckles slapped with a ruler

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:17:09 AM

dat

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He seemed to be a man that tried to do his best under all situations, i may not have agreed with everything he said, but he was a respectable man,

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:18:10 AM
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chuckv97

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quote:
Originally posted by dat
quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

RIP Colin Powell. I’m not sure why complications from Covid-19 often gets discredited as a cause of death. Oops, I’m treading on verboten territory


You'll get yer knuckles slapped with a ruler


Let's add another verboten topic to the mix...devil


 

Edited by - chuckv97 on 10/18/2021 11:18:38

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:29:59 AM

banjo bill-e

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Chuck, his cancer (and treatments?) did such damage to his immune system that he was highly susceptible to ANY infectious agents. So he may not be a fair example of the "fully vaxxed but died from Covid anyway" stories being circulated. It is a case of something being factually true yet still misleading.

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:38:50 AM
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dat

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quote:
Originally posted by banjo bill-e

It is a case of something being factually true yet still misleading.


Sounds like the media on everything, they're good at that

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:42:29 AM
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ChunoTheDog

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People can say what they want about C. Powell's military and political career, as well as his personal integrity.

Truth remains he was always in very difficult positions and those positions were almost always between a rock and a hard place.

He had to go along with many things he himself did not believe in, this is life in pro politics/military brass. He made the best of it. He was one of the good guys.

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:42:54 AM
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chuckv97

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Which media? Whose side is God on? ,,,,.https://youtu.be/5y2FuDY6Q4M


 

Edited by - chuckv97 on 10/18/2021 11:49:26

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:45:25 AM
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chuckv97

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quote:
Originally posted by banjo bill-e

Chuck, his cancer (and treatments?) did such damage to his immune system that he was highly susceptible to ANY infectious agents. So he may not be a fair example of the "fully vaxxed but died from Covid anyway" stories being circulated. It is a case of something being factually true yet still misleading.


Bill, I see your point.  It's the straw that breaks the camel's back idea. If there were no covid he'd still be alive. 

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:54:50 AM
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banjo bill-e

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--" If there were no covid he'd still be alive. "

His disease was terminal but yes, he may have survived a few more weeks or months if not for covid. My point is that Powel's death does not support the notions of "don't take the vaccine, that guy did and he died!", or "the vaccine is useless because he took it and died anyway" which are circulating in some circles.
There may well be other cases that do support that narrative but this does not seem to me to be one of them.

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:57:49 AM

dat

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Without trying to get into it, he wasn’t the only one that the shot didn’t save him, i know two, knew two

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:57:55 AM
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chuckv97

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Oh ok,, I get your angle now, Bill. Yes, I agree.

p.s. , not to make this about me, but I'm on chemotherapy now. I've had both vax shots, now they're advising me to get the booster because I'm immuno-compromised. There'll be so much foreign stuff in my system , you have to wonder....

Edited by - chuckv97 on 10/18/2021 12:00:35

Oct 18, 2021 - 1:05:02 PM
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Originally posted by chuckv97

Oh ok,, I get your angle now, Bill. Yes, I agree.

p.s. , not to make this about me, but I'm on chemotherapy now. I've had both vax shots, now they're advising me to get the booster because I'm immuno-compromised. There'll be so much foreign stuff in my system , you have to wonder....


and you must stay away from where risk is high/ probably have to impose your own lock down and stay protected we don't want to lose you

Oct 18, 2021 - 1:07:39 PM
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chuckv97

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quote:
Originally posted by overhere
quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

Oh ok,, I get your angle now, Bill. Yes, I agree.

p.s. , not to make this about me, but I'm on chemotherapy now. I've had both vax shots, now they're advising me to get the booster because I'm immuno-compromised. There'll be so much foreign stuff in my system , you have to wonder....


and you must stay away from where risk is high/ probably have to impose your own lock down and stay protected we don't want to lose you


Thank you, my friend.  Yeah, I'm staying safe,,, I ain't done yet,,, so many tunes, so little time!

Oct 18, 2021 - 1:09:57 PM

kww

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Powell's death being used to mislead the gullible would seem to follow the path he led in life.

Oct 18, 2021 - 1:13:44 PM

Owen

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quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

I’m not sure why complications from Covid-19 often gets discredited as a cause of death. Oops, I’m treading on verboten territory.


Methinks you could very well be looking at it with a jaundiced eye, Chuck.  Some of us just like to see credit given where credit is due.   .... Maybe "errors" (?) of omission more so than commission?? wink

Edited by - Owen on 10/18/2021 13:25:24

Oct 18, 2021 - 1:20:27 PM

740 posts since 5/22/2021

To heck with the............

You name it. I am not going to say it.

Oct 18, 2021 - 1:57:37 PM
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dat

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quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97
quote:
Originally posted by overhere
quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

Oh ok,, I get your angle now, Bill. Yes, I agree.

p.s. , not to make this about me, but I'm on chemotherapy now. I've had both vax shots, now they're advising me to get the booster because I'm immuno-compromised. There'll be so much foreign stuff in my system , you have to wonder....


and you must stay away from where risk is high/ probably have to impose your own lock down and stay protected we don't want to lose you


Thank you, my friend.  Yeah, I'm staying safe,,, I ain't done yet,,, so many tunes, so little time!


Yeah, you gotta stick around 'till i can play the banjo halfway decent,  that's gonna be a long while

Oct 18, 2021 - 2:07:11 PM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

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Please, let's get back to our condolences for Mr. Powell and leave Covid and politics out of it.

I'd hate to have to lock a topic about someone's death, but it's headed that way.

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