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Oct 13, 2021 - 5:21:24 PM
118 posts since 4/9/2019

When comparing my “new” 2000 Granada ( stock,(head 90#, light gauge strings) to a 2019 Huber VrB-G (Granada clone with HR rim/ring, head 92#, Huber medium strings)…. It seems that the Huber has a mellow sound and the Granada a more “Scruggs” sound! Other’s notice this?

Oct 13, 2021 - 6:42:04 PM
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AGACNP

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212 posts since 10/12/2011

Doc,

I suppose to come to a more “apples to apples” comparison, you’d need the same head/bridge/strings/head tension/setup.

But, in my opinion, a comparison of two similarly built/setup/etc banjos would reveal that they all have their own individual voice.

Oct 13, 2021 - 7:05:48 PM

118 posts since 4/9/2019

Point well tAken!

Oct 14, 2021 - 7:50:10 AM

14328 posts since 10/30/2008

Even the piece of wood used for the neck (weight, thickness, species, age, etc) could possibly affect tone.

Of course Huber uses his own tone rings and rims, which were not used by Gibson.

Bridge, head and strings can make a huge difference in brightness vs mellowness. I put a Huber head and bridge on my Gibson Earl Scruggs 1949 Classic to purposely "mellow" the sound.

Oct 14, 2021 - 12:28:16 PM
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2785 posts since 4/16/2003

Well, Doc, if you're considering either of them, I reckon you could be happy with either the Gibson or the Huber.

But since you'll always be thinking, "I wish I'd bought the other one", the answer is simple:
Buy BOTH of them.

Oct 14, 2021 - 12:52:31 PM

118 posts since 4/9/2019

John, I already own both! Just trying to decide which one I want to keep! Doc

Oct 14, 2021 - 7:25:25 PM

14328 posts since 10/30/2008

Here's a thought on tone, do they both have mother of pearl nut? Or is one a bone nut? Or even both bone? That can affect tone a bit.

Oct 15, 2021 - 6:41:19 AM

1317 posts since 3/24/2006

quote:
Originally posted by DocSavino

John, I already own both! Just trying to decide which one I want to keep! Doc


Considering it from this angle, I have a question for you. What is your goal in making a decision which to keep? Either is fine but one will do what the other won't depending on your answer. I'll wait before I comment more.

Robby 

Oct 15, 2021 - 7:23:37 AM

118 posts since 4/9/2019

Robby, I like the older sound for some music and the more mellow for others. That said I have about 5k tied up that I could use elsewhere…. Will need to think on it some.
Doc

Oct 15, 2021 - 8:03:21 AM

1317 posts since 3/24/2006

quote:
Originally posted by DocSavino

Robby, I like the older sound for some music and the more mellow for others. That said I have about 5k tied up that I could use elsewhere…. Will need to think on it some.
Doc


I understand. I thought you might be looking at it from a "return down the road" aspect. If it's strictly "sound" that you basing your choice on......NO ONE can tell you which sound YOU like best. We all have our preferences in that area.......and I know which way I would go.......but that won't help you! ;) 

Robby 

Oct 15, 2021 - 10:08:23 AM

2678 posts since 4/5/2006

quote:
Originally posted by DocSavino

Robby, I like the older sound for some music and the more mellow for others. That said I have about 5k tied up that I could use elsewhere…. Will need to think on it some.
Doc


Yeah, like turn right around & buy another banjo to replace the one you just sold. laugh It never ends. Might as well keep them both, use the Gibson as a base, for comparison, & tinker with the Huber.

Oct 15, 2021 - 12:32:38 PM

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My impression has been that lower-end depth is one of the characteristic Huber tone traits. Less of that is one of the things I'm not wild about in the reissue Gibson ESS series.

Oct 15, 2021 - 2:21:12 PM

4680 posts since 11/20/2004

Probably easier to mellow the Gibson than to brighten the Huber. No one should get down to one banjo, but if so, it should be versatile.

Oct 15, 2021 - 2:33:08 PM

118 posts since 4/9/2019

Well. I have several … ML-1 (baritone), RK 85 Soloist (E-tuned), Huber Kalamazoo, Goldtone Archtop, Huber VRB-G and the Gibson Granada… each has their own voice….

Oct 15, 2021 - 3:49:45 PM

Alex Z

USA

4556 posts since 12/7/2006

"( stock,(head 90#, light gauge strings) to a 2019 Huber VrB-G (Granada clone with HR rim/ring, head 92#, Huber medium strings)"

1.  To get a truer sense of the innate difference, first put the same strings on both banjos.  This eliminates or affirms the strings as a cause of differences.

2.  Then after comparing sounds with the same strings, swap bridges and compare again.  

This way, you're not altering the set up of the banjos, which are -- assuming -- the way you like each the best.  Bridges can contribute a wide variation in tone and volume.  Want to either eliminate or affirm that the different bridges are a cause of different sounds of the two banjos.

I know, I know, some will say that the only thing that contributes to the difference in tone of bridges is the weight.  That may be true -- to their ears.  But your ears are judging the banjos.  Same strings and swapping bridges are two simple comparisons to try, to really understand the remaining differences in the banjos.

I wouldn't mess around with the head tension and tailpieces at this point -- you're not trying to make the banjos sound the same, but rather just eliminating or affirming the strings and bridges as causes of the differences you are hearing now.

Oct 18, 2021 - 6:15:22 AM

1317 posts since 3/24/2006

quote:
Originally posted by DocSavino

When comparing my “new” 2000 Granada ( stock,(head 90#, light gauge strings) to a 2019 Huber VrB-G (Granada clone with HR rim/ring, head 92#, Huber medium strings)…. It seems that the Huber has a mellow sound and the Granada a more “Scruggs” sound! Other’s notice this?


If you mentioned this, I missed it.......does the Huber still have the Huber head? If so you can brighten it considerably by putting on a top frosted medium crown Remo. Don't know if that's the direction you want to go with the Huber or not.......just throwing that out there. But, before I sold either, IF I was truly interested in which was the BEST sounding banjo, I would set them both up as identically as possible. My opinion and $10.00 will get you an overpriced fru-fru coffee at Starbucks. ;)

Robby 

Oct 18, 2021 - 7:07:46 AM

1407 posts since 9/6/2019
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quote:
Originally posted by DocSavino

John, I already own both! Just trying to decide which one I want to keep! Doc


I'll give ya $50 for either one, just to get it off your hands and all wink

Oct 18, 2021 - 7:16:14 AM

118 posts since 4/9/2019

Bill, You're a true friend. wink Doc

Edited by - DocSavino on 10/18/2021 07:16:41

Oct 18, 2021 - 9:31:12 AM

2874 posts since 2/10/2013

Doc - Here is some sound avice based on personal experience. Never, never sell anything you even remotely think you may ever went to use again. It will cost more than the price you paid. It may become more difficult to obtain. I frequently mentally "kick my butt" for selling a great Santa Cruz guitar. I bought it used for $1,000. I thought about getting another one. They now sell for $6,000. I sold an Eastman fiddle as well. Bought it for $800 and it was at demo price. Now it sells for over $3000.

Oct 18, 2021 - 11:11:15 AM

14328 posts since 10/30/2008

Mr Hauser

Half the fun of banjo chasing is running down one that you let get away! (I just did this!) Obviously, at times, price is no object.

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