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Oct 13, 2021 - 11:09:43 AM
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rinemb

USA

14130 posts since 5/24/2005

I designed a handrail for our steps into the basement. By choice and design, decided to use steel pipe and fittings. My first choice was to use 1-1/4" nominal with 1.666 OD. Then I chose the steeltek pipe schedule 30, so a tad thinner wall then S40. The big box store said the pipe S30 would thread fine with their machine.
Well, today, I went to buy pipe and have the big box store cut and thread to my specs. Their machine made a mess of the first threading. It chewed off 1/2" and the threads were a mess. So, we talked, experience pipe guy said their old machines had adjustable speeds etc. and did fine. The new machines they have apparently have only one speed-high, and butched the schedule 30 steeltek pipe.
I was avoiding the galvanized 40 because its added pia to clean and smooth it up.
*** Your opinions, suggestions, please.
Brad

Edited by - rinemb on 12/02/2021 04:31:56

Oct 13, 2021 - 11:16:58 AM

dat

USA

31575 posts since 7/26/2006

Pex  wink

Just have to not hold on to it when you walk or need a grab handle
 

Oct 13, 2021 - 11:18:08 AM

Owen

Canada

9823 posts since 6/5/2011

Tongue-in-cheek... sounds like it might be time to fire up the ol' Lincoln AC-225.  wink

Fwiw, I was at the dentist a couple of weeks ago.  He had a very nifty shelf unit..... fastened to the wall, not the floor.... one upright on each end [1" pipe, nipples and flanges appropriately placed]. Painted gloss black. Kinda nifty.  Is there an echo in here?

Edited by - Owen on 10/13/2021 11:29:25

Oct 13, 2021 - 11:26:02 AM
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dat

USA

31575 posts since 7/26/2006

Actually it might work to go to harbor freight and get a cheap manual pipe threader, usually i don’t recommend harbor freight, but on light pipe and one job use, it might be worth the try,

Oct 13, 2021 - 12:52:05 PM
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rinemb

USA

14130 posts since 5/24/2005

quote:
Originally posted by dat

Actually it might work to go to harbor freight and get a cheap manual pipe threader, usually i don’t recommend harbor freight, but on light pipe and one job use, it might be worth the try,


The Harbor Freight kit only goes up to 1".  Did not see individual ratchet and dies.

I do have a big pipe cutter.  and a good vice.

Amazon has numerous cheapy sets that have up to an 1-1/4" die.  So you go from 55-65.00 cheapy hand ratchet sets, to several hundred for Rigid. Lowe's and HD will do the cutting and threading free when you buy their pipe. 

brad

Oct 13, 2021 - 1:01:23 PM

dat

USA

31575 posts since 7/26/2006

Yeah, I didn’t look at the size of their sets, if they can’t thread it at the store without messing up the pipe, it doesn’t do much good, might have to spend a little more and get a better good set, you might be able to turn around and sell it afterwards and make some of your money back

Oct 13, 2021 - 1:12:36 PM
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rinemb

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14130 posts since 5/24/2005

quote:
Originally posted by dat

Yeah, I didn’t look at the size of their sets, if they can’t thread it at the store without messing up the pipe, it doesn’t do much good, might have to spend a little more and get a better good set, you might be able to turn around and sell it afterwards and make some of your money back


What!  Sell a tool?  If I dig deep enough I might find my FIL's old pipe threading set.  He did a lot of oil field roustabouting.  I remember it and used it on some smaller stuff.  It was not a ratchet set with a long handle. Just had die holder with two opposing handles, I remember learning to appreciate cutting fluid, even on smaller pipe.  Brad

Oct 13, 2021 - 1:14:15 PM
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rinemb

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14130 posts since 5/24/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Owen

Tongue-in-cheek... sounds like it might be time to fire up the ol' Lincoln AC-225.  wink

Fwiw, I was at the dentist a couple of weeks ago.  He had a very nifty shelf unit..... fastened to the wall, not the floor.... one upright on each end [1" pipe, nipples and flanges appropriately placed]. Painted gloss black. Kinda nifty.  Is there an echo in here?


Yea, still have not bought a welder.  And I have bought all the fittings.  Brad

Oct 13, 2021 - 1:20:34 PM

dat

USA

31575 posts since 7/26/2006

Just guessing from the price of pipe and fittings, you probably could have bought a welder for what you spent on fittings and pioe

Oct 13, 2021 - 1:24:59 PM

dat

USA

31575 posts since 7/26/2006

Nothing to do with pipe fittings, what kind of hat is that you have, looks like one of the old style tilly hats, i had a twc 6 i think, wide brimmed oiled canvas, had a “lifetime” warranty, but they quit making it so they replaced it with junk, or their new polyester hats

Oct 13, 2021 - 1:32:05 PM
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rinemb

USA

14130 posts since 5/24/2005

quote:
Originally posted by dat

Nothing to do with pipe fittings, what kind of hat is that you have, looks like one of the old style tilly hats, i had a twc 6 i think, wide brimmed oiled canvas, had a “lifetime” warranty, but they quit making it so they replaced it with junk, or their new polyester hats


Wow.  I had to go look at the pic.  Not a Tilly, but very similar.  I have like that, one had a flap that could let down and it covered the back of the neck.  That hat was likely purchased at either Cabela's or GAnder Mountain?   I still have them hanging in my storage unit with all my gear.  I will be going there tomorrow to load out for a job, I will try to remember to look.  I know, even the Kansas wind did not knock it off.  Brad

Oct 14, 2021 - 12:40:09 PM
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rinemb

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After further review...I found clean galvanized 1-1/4" schedule 40 pipe at Home Depot. (still have to wipe it down with a scouring pad and acetone to clean the printing off of the pipe, but HD cut all the pieces and threaded for no charge. Waiting on oval head 1/4" screws to mount the floor flanges. Why those, because I like the look of oval head screws, but they are hard to find in big wood screws. If I measured all the pieces correctly I will assemble and mount when I get back from a job in a week or so. Two rails, one from first floor to landing, one from landing to basement.
BTW, price of pipe and fittings up...a lot. Total price for all the pipe, fittings, screws SS, and thread dope: 230.00. Could have used lumber and likely done this job for under 100.00. But, so be it, eh.

I will assemble with an anti-cease thread goo, so I can take it down easier when I need to turn the corner at the landing with something big.
Brad

Oct 14, 2021 - 12:44:37 PM

dat

USA

31575 posts since 7/26/2006

Actually cheaper yhan I figured that would be, take a picture when yer done

Oct 14, 2021 - 1:28:28 PM
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rinemb

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Actually cheaper yhan I figured that would be, take a picture when yer done


I still may buy a ratchet pipe thread kit.  Even the cheapies look cool.  And, then, when someone asks me if I happen to have one, I can answer "Of coarse!"  Brad

Oct 14, 2021 - 1:52:34 PM

dat

USA

31575 posts since 7/26/2006

I almost teared up, we moved not long ago, before we moved my wife wanted to have a garage sale, I was out of town and she called and told me how well they did in the sale, i think they made about $800, well anyway, i got home and she had sold tools from the part of the part of the barn i told her i was going to keep.
There were several people that got great deals and it’ll take me years to re buy many tools, i think i need a pipe threader

Oct 15, 2021 - 4:03:01 PM
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rinemb

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quote:
Originally posted by dat

Nothing to do with pipe fittings, what kind of hat is that you have, looks like one of the old style tilly hats, i had a twc 6 i think, wide brimmed oiled canvas, had a “lifetime” warranty, but they quit making it so they replaced it with junk, or their new polyester hats


The fishing - avoid the sun hats I have are both 5-10 years old.  I looked at them in my storage unit.  I believe the one in the pic is either a "watership trading" or a "sundayafternoons". The watership trading hat is a bit more heavier fabric, but still lighter and less stiff then a TIlly.    Anyway, Like I mentioned likely from Cabelas or Gander Mtn.  Brad

Oct 15, 2021 - 5:15:13 PM

bubbalouie

Canada

15505 posts since 9/27/2007

quote:
Originally posted by dat

I almost teared up, we moved not long ago, before we moved my wife wanted to have a garage sale, I was out of town and she called and told me how well they did in the sale, i think they made about $800, well anyway, i got home and she had sold tools from the part of the part of the barn i told her i was going to keep.
There were several people that got great deals and it’ll take me years to re buy many tools, i think i need a pipe threader


Oh No! Haha! I remember seeing a classified ad that went..  Scorned & Mistreated? Will buy your ex's tools for cash! 

Waiting for Pics Brad!

Oct 16, 2021 - 5:28:56 AM
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rinemb

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I had to leave town on a job. Dang it! It will likely be a week or more before I can finish it.
Then I have a wood handrail to mount on the wall, from landing above first floor- up to second floor.
Then……….
Brad

Oct 16, 2021 - 6:22:03 AM
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Oct 16, 2021 - 6:56:07 AM

Owen

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quote:
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<snip> Then I have a wood handrail to mount on the wall, from landing above first floor- up to second floor.
Then……….


Then...... 

.... and if/when the mood strikes, it could be a double duty pole.

Oct 17, 2021 - 4:55:47 AM
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rinemb

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quote:
Originally posted by Owen
quote:
Originally posted by rinemb


Then I have a wood handrail to mount on the wall, from landing above first floor- up to second floor.
Then……….


Then...... 

.... and if/when the mood strikes, it could be a double duty pole.


Cool, I remember us kids on the block visited a neighbor's dad's fire station, one summer day while he was on duty.  For those brave enough, we were allowed to slide down the pole.  It was a fairly long drop.  I am sure that is not allowed nowadays.  But heck,we were doing that already down the clothes line poles.  Brad

Oct 17, 2021 - 5:06:53 AM

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just use good ole black iron pipe ,,it threads easier and just throw a coat o epoxy paint on it and your good to go....

Oct 17, 2021 - 7:17:13 AM
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rinemb

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just use good ole black iron pipe ,,it threads easier and just throw a coat o epoxy paint on it and your good to go....


black iron pipe was indeed proposed. However, as I have revealed in the past, I am married to a interior decorator/designer (retired).  Most anything under the roof, she rules...I "usually" have final say in everything outside.  She wanted galvanized!  That said, she liked the tripod grill I built with the black pipe and black iron fittings.  The fittings have rusted to reddish and looks good with the black pipe.

BTW, this arrangement works out pretty good, except when whenever she asks what I think (on an indoor project) I usually reply with a why do you bother asking, or an I don't care.  Then I duck.

Thanks, Brad

Oct 30, 2021 - 8:50:53 AM
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rinemb

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My handrails to basement project is completed.  I used 1-1/4" nominal schedule 40 galvanized pipe.  If I did it again I might choose 1-1/2".  The 1-1/4 pipe has just a wee bit of wiggle to it. Hardly noticeable, but there.  
thanks for all of your suggestions.

brad




Oct 30, 2021 - 9:05:26 AM

Owen

Canada

9823 posts since 6/5/2011

Thanks for the pics.... looks good.   

[But IF those end caps were easily removable, grandkid #1 could roll jelly-beans down to the waiting mouth of grandkid #2.... or connect the two with a bit of flexible hose and have a handy-dandy, nifty-thrifty intercom.  wink ]

Oct 30, 2021 - 9:19:04 AM
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rinemb

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14130 posts since 5/24/2005

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Originally posted by Owen

Thanks for the pics.... looks good.   

[But IF those end caps were easily removable, grandkid #1 could roll jelly-beans down to the waiting mouth of grandkid #2.... or connect the two with a bit of flexible hose and have a handy-dandy, nifty-thrifty intercom.  wink ]


I am sure candy, marbles, and ping pong balls would have coursed their way down the pipe if I had those rails as a kid.  But, mine are cinched with a big pipe wrench, so doubt they'll be coming off any time soon.  
brad

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