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Sep 19, 2021 - 12:31:09 PM
16 posts since 8/24/2021

Here are some photos of an old rim I accumulated too long ago to recall where. The tag inside says "OOD RIM BANJO" but most of it isn't there any more. Anyone have any idea what it might be?


Sep 19, 2021 - 1:23:36 PM

rmcdow

USA

1016 posts since 11/8/2014

That paper sticker is from an A. A. Farland banjo. It is interesting that it appears to have a metal archtop tone ring on the rim. Farland was not a big fan of metal tone rings. If you look where the dowel comes through the neck, the square hole, on the inside, is there a number stamped? It could be from one to three digits.

Sep 19, 2021 - 2:21:52 PM
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mbanza

USA

2392 posts since 9/16/2007

The sticker said "THE A. A. FARLAND BEVELED-TOP WOOD RIM BANJO" and the metal archtop forming ring may be a later modification.

Sep 19, 2021 - 3:15:03 PM

16 posts since 8/24/2021

@rmcdow it doesn't appear to have any digits near the rectangular hole for the neck dowel.

It seems there's a hole, about 5/16" diameter, drilled between some pairs of brackets but not others. There are 28 brackets, and 10 holes. Most of the holes are toward the neck side of the rim.

The skin has markings too on its underside. In what looks like stamped, all capitals "UNION BRAND WARRANTED" and also what looks like a script marking, nearly illegible, beginning with Jos or Jon or Joo and ending with what looks like Jr.

Sorry, can't make out more...

Tom

Sep 19, 2021 - 3:38:15 PM

rmcdow

USA

1016 posts since 11/8/2014

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Wells

@rmcdow it doesn't appear to have any digits near the rectangular hole for the neck dowel.

It seems there's a hole, about 5/16" diameter, drilled between some pairs of brackets but not others. There are 28 brackets, and 10 holes. Most of the holes are toward the neck side of the rim.

The skin has markings too on its underside. In what looks like stamped, all capitals "UNION BRAND WARRANTED" and also what looks like a script marking, nearly illegible, beginning with Jos or Jon or Joo and ending with what looks like Jr.

Sorry, can't make out more...

Tom


The hide head is a Jos. B Rogers Jr. one, and the imprint of the complete sticker leads me to believe that this is a Farland rim.   I saw those extra holes; have no idea what they are for.  What is the thickness of the rim, and the diameter?  Verne is probably correct that the tone ring was a later add on.  The piece of sheet metal wrapped around the upper part of the rim is probably an add on too, and probably was something added so that the tone ring would fit snugly.  Measure the outside of the rim on the bottom, and the size of the hide head diameter at the top, and maybe that will help figure some things out.  

If you are ever comfortable in taking the rim apart, it would be interesting to see if there are any markings on the underside of the tone ring, and what the rim looks like where it was seated.

Edited by - rmcdow on 09/19/2021 15:40:00

Sep 19, 2021 - 3:44:11 PM

16 posts since 8/24/2021

The outside diameter of the rim at the bottom is almost exactly 11"; the hide OD (the ID of the tension hoop) is almost exactly 11", but it might be 1/16 less?

There was a banjo for sale that was similar about 5 years ago (not the same but close) here: https://reverb.com/item/1190063-a-a-farland-wood-rim-open-back-banjo-brown

You all are amazing at providing information!

Thank you,

Tom

Sep 19, 2021 - 3:50:07 PM

16 posts since 8/24/2021

WHOOPS! Almost missed it. The rim thickness appears to be 13/16"

Here's one more picture of the inside of the rim at the neck attachment:


 

Edited by - Tom Wells on 09/19/2021 15:53:59

Sep 19, 2021 - 4:07:46 PM

rmcdow

USA

1016 posts since 11/8/2014

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Wells

The outside diameter of the rim at the bottom is almost exactly 11"; the hide OD (the ID of the tension hoop) is almost exactly 11", but it might be 1/16 less?

There was a banjo for sale that was similar about 5 years ago (not the same but close) here: https://reverb.com/item/1190063-a-a-farland-wood-rim-open-back-banjo-brown

You all are amazing at providing information!

Thank you,

Tom


That banjo for sale is interesting in that it also has an archtop tone ring.  It has a few differences, but the similarity of the pot, tone ring, and thickness of the rim, along with the Farland sticker means either there were multiple people modifying his banjos, or in the end he did end up putting metal tone rings on some of his banjos.  Let me know if you do decide to take it apart.  It is not a lot of trouble to do that, just be careful inching the head up off the tone ring if you do.

If you get a chance, take a straight on photo of one of the nuts and post it.

Edited by - rmcdow on 09/19/2021 16:09:10

Sep 19, 2021 - 4:32:23 PM

16 posts since 8/24/2021

@rmcdow,

Here's a closer photograph of the nuts:


 

Sep 19, 2021 - 4:52:56 PM

rmcdow

USA

1016 posts since 11/8/2014

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Wells

@rmcdow,

Here's a closer photograph of the nuts:


I meant from the side, at a right angle to what you took in this photo.  I'm interested to see what the profile of the nut is.

Sep 19, 2021 - 4:59:18 PM

16 posts since 8/24/2021

@rmcdow,

Here you go:


 

Sep 20, 2021 - 6:30:22 AM

361 posts since 10/8/2018

quote:
Originally posted by Tom Wells

WHOOPS! Almost missed it. The rim thickness appears to be 13/16"

Here's one more picture of the inside of the rim at the neck attachment:


Hmmm.... the rim looks like it was from a Farland Black Beauty that was converted to accept a tone ring. It was one of his least expensive models suggested for students.

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