Banjo Hangout Logo
Banjo Hangout Logo

Premier Sponsors

527
Banjo Lovers Online


Page: 1  2   3   4  ...   Next Page   Last Page (5) 

Sep 19, 2021 - 6:03:30 AM
likes this
34337 posts since 3/5/2008

Frosts me butt.....
When people twist info...

Just to claim they are right ..
When in fact...they are lying....knowingly.....

Sep 19, 2021 - 8:10:17 AM
like this
Players Union Member

DC5

USA

20396 posts since 6/30/2015

A company has an opening for a new accountant. 3 candidates applied for the job. During the interview each candidate was asked separately what 2 + 2 equaled. The first candidate said "four". They thanked him very much, and asked the second candidate to come in. His response was "It depends. In base 10, the most common number system for accounting it would be 4, but in Base 3 it would be 11." Again the interviewers thanked him and brought in the 3rd candidate. His response was to get up, close the door, return to his seat and quietly ask "What do you want it to be?". The third candidate was hired on the spot.

Sep 19, 2021 - 8:30:26 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

26395 posts since 8/3/2003

Almost any information can be skewed the way you want it to go, you just have to know how.

Sep 19, 2021 - 8:51:09 AM

12482 posts since 1/15/2005

Lots of examples of that ........ twisting words and manipulating statistics.

For example if you are the manager two stores and the owner says you can only hire enough workers to operate one, the manager closes one of the stores. When the owner by the local newspaper is asked why he closed one of the stores, he says the manager recommended that we close the second store (happened in my town with a pizza restaurant). In fact, the manager did not recommend closing the second store. He said he could not operate it without enough employees. Is the owner, lying, stretching the truth, or twisting the facts?

Sep 19, 2021 - 8:51:28 AM
likes this

58248 posts since 12/14/2005

At the risk of a "no Religion" lock, I would mention that there are over a THOUSAND different subdivisions of one major religion, several of which claim that most or all of the others are misinterpreting the Official Texts.

And I trust that most of them are not trying to TWIST things for their own purposes. They just perceive things differently.

Sep 19, 2021 - 9:40:11 AM

kww

USA

1353 posts since 6/21/2008

quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory



And I trust that most of them are not trying to TWIST things for their own purposes.


Why on earth would you do that?

Sep 19, 2021 - 10:16:44 AM

58248 posts since 12/14/2005

PM reply sent

Sep 19, 2021 - 10:21:56 AM
like this
Players Union Member

DC5

USA

20396 posts since 6/30/2015

Let's say there is a new disease that people are getting sick from, and some are dying. In one week 6 people died, and in the second week 9 people died. This can either be reported as 3 more people died this week than last week, or it can be reported that there was a 50% increase in the death rate compared to last week. Which one will get more people watching your news report? Both are reporting the same thing.

Sep 19, 2021 - 11:46:59 AM
like this

228 posts since 8/25/2009

The well-known statistician Frederick Mosteller observed "It's easy to lie with statistics, but it's easier to lie without them." to which I would add "It's easiest to lie to people who are ignorant of statistics."

If you know what is the right way to do something, it's awfully hard for someone to fool you by doing it the wrong way.

Sep 19, 2021 - 12:00:02 PM
like this

donc

Canada

6731 posts since 2/9/2010

Our high school teacher showed us a news article from his home town in Germany. There was an article about a visiting soccer team and the final score. It said the visiting team came in second and the German team came in second last. 60 years ago my dad took a course as an insurance underwriter. According to actuarial statistics a man of 75 was much more likely to die in the next year compared to a man of 95. When you look closely you accurately conclude that many more men will die this year at age 75 compared to age 90.

Sep 19, 2021 - 12:27:34 PM
like this

1976 posts since 2/4/2013

Of course plenty of people get annoyed if the statistics don't show things the way they want them too. And then believe that must be because they have been manipulated. Stats are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.

Sep 19, 2021 - 12:28:55 PM
like this

Tommy5

USA

3897 posts since 2/22/2009

quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory

At the risk of a "no Religion" lock, I would mention that there are over a THOUSAND different subdivisions of one major religion, several of which claim that most or all of the others are misinterpreting the Official Texts.

And I trust that most of them are not trying to TWIST things for their own purposes. They just perceive things differently.


Blame the Protestant Reformation. Instead of having a central authority giving the official canon , the concept of scriptures alone or Sola Scriptura as the basis of the faith meant anybody and everybody could interpret scripture anyway they wanted and the religion splintered into a thousand pieces. It's history not religion no violation of BHO regulation.

Edited by - Tommy5 on 09/19/2021 12:30:47

Sep 19, 2021 - 12:47:04 PM
likes this

58248 posts since 12/14/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5
quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory

At the risk of a "no Religion" lock, I would mention that there are over a THOUSAND different subdivisions of one major religion, several of which claim that most or all of the others are misinterpreting the Official Texts.

And I trust that most of them are not trying to TWIST things for their own purposes. They just perceive things differently.


Blame the Protestant Reformation. Instead of having a central authority giving the official canon , the concept of scriptures alone or Sola Scriptura as the basis of the faith meant anybody and everybody could interpret scripture anyway they wanted and the religion splintered into a thousand pieces. It's history not religion no violation of BHO regulation.


Agreed!

But, as the late great YAHOO! ANSWERS Religion and Spirituality forum all too clearly demonstrated, discussions went from historical to hysterical in a matter of MINUTES.

Y!A R&S is no longer a functioning site, so I salute Eric's decision to avoid R&S disputes on THIS site, as scrupulously as possible.

Anybody want to discuss anything with me, drop me a private message.

Sep 19, 2021 - 1:05:07 PM
like this
Players Union Member

DC5

USA

20396 posts since 6/30/2015

87% of all statistics are made up, and 5 out of 3 people have trouble enough with math to figure that out.

Sep 19, 2021 - 4:36:37 PM

RB3

USA

1096 posts since 4/12/2004

The definitive treatise on the subject: How To Lie With Statistics

Sep 19, 2021 - 4:56:27 PM
likes this

194 posts since 11/28/2006

I think it was Mark Twain who said there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Sep 19, 2021 - 5:04:56 PM
like this

m06

England

10371 posts since 10/5/2006

It’s statistically curious how ‘manipulation’ is only alleged in regard to statistics that contradict our personal opinions.

Edited by - m06 on 09/19/2021 17:08:13

Sep 19, 2021 - 6:57:17 PM

Brian T

Canada

18704 posts since 6/5/2008

Anybody can condense any number of measurements (10 or a million) into one line of numbers that describes them all, without a lie. It's called Descriptive Statistics.

What I see are data sets so badly organized that trying to make statistical sense of them is stupid.
Don't buy into the rubbish. Don't get sucked in by idiots who misrepresented the statistical treatments.

This does take a little background in stats, even teaching simple stats.
A nested anova is NOT beyond your intelligence.

Sep 20, 2021 - 2:00:05 AM
like this

3819 posts since 4/29/2012

A lot of what I see, even in the so-called 'quality' press, is not as much manipulation as innumeracy. Journalists are mostly liberal arts graduates who haven't looked at a maths book since their mid-teens, and didn't much like what they saw then. They do not have the ability to connect numeric data with conclusions.
But this is a figmo thread, so it's probably really cover for a poltical whinge.

Sep 20, 2021 - 3:12:03 AM
like this

figmo59

USA

34337 posts since 3/5/2008

You could show statistics on that Andy..... ;0)

Sep 20, 2021 - 7:08:37 AM

figmo59

USA

34337 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by donc

Our high school teacher showed us a news article from his home town in Germany. There was an article about a visiting soccer team and the final score. It said the visiting team came in second and the German team came in second last. 60 years ago my dad took a course as an insurance underwriter. According to actuarial statistics a man of 75 was much more likely to die in the next year compared to a man of 95. When you look closely you accurately conclude that many more men will die this year at age 75 compared to age 90.


This is a good example....

Sep 20, 2021 - 7:10:32 AM

figmo59

USA

34337 posts since 3/5/2008

quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink

Lots of examples of that ........ twisting words and manipulating statistics.

For example if you are the manager two stores and the owner says you can only hire enough workers to operate one, the manager closes one of the stores. When the owner by the local newspaper is asked why he closed one of the stores, he says the manager recommended that we close the second store (happened in my town with a pizza restaurant). In fact, the manager did not recommend closing the second store. He said he could not operate it without enough employees. Is the owner, lying, stretching the truth, or twisting the facts?


As is this...

Sep 20, 2021 - 7:14:37 AM
Players Union Member

rinemb

USA

13932 posts since 5/24/2005

Sep 20, 2021 - 7:39:03 AM
likes this

RB3

USA

1096 posts since 4/12/2004

Even valid statistics can be pernicious; second basemen are now playing right field.

Sep 20, 2021 - 8:12:02 AM
like this

Ron C

USA

1472 posts since 3/17/2004

I have the book: "How to lie with statistics" and it is fun to read. However, statistics are critical to the functioning of modern society when used correctly. For the most part, if stats are used incorrectly or misused for individual gain, it is not the statistician who is to blame, but the publicizers and propagators of the misused statistics. Blame the reporter or the politician who skew the interpretation of the statistics to their ends.

Why are properly used statistics useful, even critical to our daily lives?

1. Weather Forecasts

A seven-day forecast can accurately predict the weather about 80 percent of the time and a five-day forecast can accurately predict the weather approximately 90 percent of the time. However, a 10-day—or longer—forecast is only right about half the time. https://scijinks.gov/forecast-reliability/

2. Emergency Preparedness

Hurricanes, tornadoes, floods are likely to occur? Emergency teams rely on statistics to tell them when danger may occur.

3. Predicting Disease

4. Medical Studies

Scientists must show a statistically valid rate of effectiveness before any drug can be prescribed. Statistics are behind every medical study.

5. Political Campaigns

6. Insurance

The rate that an insurance company charges you is based upon statistics from all drivers or homeowners in your area.

7. Consumer Goods

Wal-Mart, a worldwide leading retailer, keeps track of everything they sell and use statistics to calculate what to ship to each store and when.

8. Quality Testing

A company can't test each and every item that they ship to you. So the company uses statistics to test just a few, called a sample, of what they make. If the sample passes quality tests, then the company assumes that all the items made in the group, called a batch, are good.

9. Stock Market

Another topic that you hear a lot about in the news is the stock market. Stock analysts also use statistical computer models to forecast what is happening in the economy.

Her

Sep 20, 2021 - 8:48:29 AM
Players Union Member

rinemb

USA

13932 posts since 5/24/2005

I find the subject fascinating, as well as chaos theory. I took "Statistics" and actually enjoyed the class. Much of that was having a great professor, he shared many stories and examples. I read a book on fractals and chaos etc, found it interesting, though did not get through the whole read. My brain started hurting!
I learned enough to often see the distorting of the data and presentation to fit a purpose.
But as Ron posted, statistics is quite important in our lives. Brad

Page: 1  2   3   4  ...   Next Page   Last Page (5) 

Hangout Network Help

View All Topics  |  View Categories

0.3125