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Sep 14, 2021 - 8:38:32 PM
100 posts since 4/9/2019

Looking at what is being represented as a Custom Gibson Granada from an estate sale, but the serial number makes no sense and there are no Custom Shop stamp on the head. Serial number stamped on the rim is 0006-26. I spoke with Greg Rich and he has no idea. I believe that this may be a conversion. Any one have any knowledge on this one? Please email me at DocSavino@icloud.com with any comments.


 

Edited by - DocSavino on 09/14/2021 20:39:42

Sep 14, 2021 - 10:05:40 PM

rcc56

USA

3688 posts since 2/20/2016

Is the serial number 0006-26 or 00-06-26?

According to my older edition of Gruhn's Guide, the configuration with 2 dashes is correct for a modern era Granada: yy-mm-## which would be the 26th Granada of the year 2000, built in June.

If there's only one dash in the serial number, it does not match any configuration in my reference book.

Sep 14, 2021 - 11:10:29 PM

1048 posts since 10/5/2008

Any other pictures?

Sep 15, 2021 - 4:30:28 AM

1490 posts since 5/19/2018

More pictures would be a great help. Especially if you could get a photo of the label and the serial number.

Sep 15, 2021 - 6:48:07 AM

100 posts since 4/9/2019

Pics




Sep 15, 2021 - 7:19:47 AM

14175 posts since 10/30/2008

Now that's a puzzler.

Sep 15, 2021 - 7:25:20 AM

1490 posts since 5/19/2018

That serial number as mentioned is not in proper sequence. Could be that the serial number stamper didn’t have his coffee that morning and missed a stamp and QC let the rim slide.

Could also be that this is a pretty high quality clone. What I see looks to be legit, but with these things, without having it I hand, it’s a tough call.

If it’s a fake/clone, it looks to be quality. Please post some more pictures if possible. At stamps on the flange or arm rest. Some of the finger board and peghead. Littles details can give a lot of info.

Sep 15, 2021 - 8:39:56 AM

100 posts since 4/9/2019

quote:
Originally posted by Alvin Conder

That serial number as mentioned is not in proper sequence. Could be that the serial number stamper didn’t have his coffee that morning and missed a stamp and QC let the rim slide.

Could also be that this is a pretty high quality clone. What I see looks to be legit, but with these things, without having it I hand, it’s a tough call.

If it’s a fake/clone, it looks to be quality. Please post some more pictures if possible. At stamps on the flange or arm rest. Some of the finger board and peghead. Littles details can give a lot of info.







Sep 15, 2021 - 9:07:22 AM

rcc56

USA

3688 posts since 2/20/2016

The craftsmanship looks to be of good quality.

Has anyone seen the following on a modern era Gibson?

1] I have not heard of a modern era Granada with a brown peghead overlay.
2] The dash and the last two digits of the serial number are out of line with the first four digits.

Also, does the neck finish appear to match the resonator finish?

If all or part of it is a copy, it appears to be well built. This one may come down to balancing the sound against the price.
If it can't be verified as a Gibson product, its market value is lower than one that can be authenticated, even if it's a better instrument than a bona fide Gibson . . . unless perhaps if Steve Huber's signature is on the rim under the tone ring.

Low offers are often welcome at estate sales, especially late in the second day.

It's too bad that nobody at Gibson would have a clue about whether or not the banjo is one of their products . . .

Edited by - rcc56 on 09/15/2021 09:21:34

Sep 15, 2021 - 9:26:17 AM
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Emiel

Austria

9947 posts since 1/22/2003

On the truss rod cover it says "Billy Gibbons". Billy Gibbons was the lead guitarist and singer of ZZ Top… surprise

Sep 15, 2021 - 9:27:41 AM

1870 posts since 2/10/2003

Serial number would not follow the Granada format because it technically isn’t a Granada. It is a custom shop instrument. It does follow how Gibson formats “other banjos”, which is YYMM-##. Which puts this banjo the 26th made in June of 2000. Label case, tuners, etc are what Gibson was using in 2000, so I would bet it a legit Gibson custom shop banjo.

Sep 15, 2021 - 9:29:13 AM

Jbo1

USA

1030 posts since 5/19/2007

I didn't know Billy Gibbons from ZZ Top played the banjo.

I would also agree the peg head overlay doesn't look right. Should be black for modern era Gibsons.

Sep 15, 2021 - 9:33:24 AM
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Emiel

Austria

9947 posts since 1/22/2003

quote:
Originally posted by Jbo1

I didn't know Billy Gibbons from ZZ Top played the banjo.

I would also agree the peg head overlay doesn't look right. Should be black for modern era Gibsons.


That could, of course, have been a custom option, making it look older. The prewar Gibsons had black pegheads too, I believe, that turned brownish after years.

Sep 15, 2021 - 9:36:50 AM

heavy5

USA

1810 posts since 11/3/2016

Notice the case has the typical inner cover for the higher end banjos --- does it say The Gibson out side ?
The stamping font of the s/n sure looks Gibson . I've owned (3) 2000 era Granadas & this sure looks like the real thing ,   but ??

So what is it auctioning for ?

Edited by - heavy5 on 09/15/2021 09:48:21

Sep 15, 2021 - 10:01:26 AM

2678 posts since 1/16/2013

Interesting. Does it have "Gibson USA" underside of the flange in the neck area?
"Gibson USA" on the face of the tone ring inside under the tailpiece?
"Gibson" anywhere else?
-Jim

Sep 15, 2021 - 10:15:22 AM
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100 posts since 4/9/2019

Jim, Unable to get further pics. Description says, “ GIBSON Mastertone Banjo w/leather strap & case. Serial# 0006-26. This banjo has been customized with gold and abalone by the owner.” I also checked with Ed Weber (via Greg) and he does not recognize making it at the custom shop during his tenure.

Bob, case says Gibson. Estate Auction, current bid is at 3k with 7 days until physical sale date.

Doc

Edited by - DocSavino on 09/15/2021 10:17:38

Sep 15, 2021 - 10:55:29 AM

27 posts since 6/12/2014

trust me, its a nice copy, joe

Sep 15, 2021 - 11:47:22 AM

100 posts since 4/9/2019

Joe, do you know this banjo? Doc

Sep 15, 2021 - 4:52:26 PM

122 posts since 9/27/2014

I bought a pre-flood post Greg Rich Era new Granada from George Gruhn in 2000. The serial number is 0002-11.

Sep 15, 2021 - 5:04:50 PM

100 posts since 4/9/2019

Thank you!

Sep 15, 2021 - 6:11 PM

14175 posts since 10/30/2008

"Customized with gold"????

However, I'm leaning more toward it being a real thing. If it has a Gibson brand under the flange, I'd give it a better than 50% chance of being real.

Look for EVERY detail. Binding (what I can see looks right). Does it have a pearl nut (it should). Are the tuners something known to be used on Granadas? Examine the engraving on the armrest and tension hoop VERY closely.

Sep 15, 2021 - 6:13:11 PM

100 posts since 4/9/2019

Thanks

Sep 15, 2021 - 6:20:09 PM

122 posts since 9/27/2014

Doc- when I worked for George Gruhn Billy Gibbons used to come into the store all the time- wish we could find a photo of Billy playing this banjo.

Sep 15, 2021 - 6:22:55 PM

100 posts since 4/9/2019

quote:
Originally posted by Benjamin Pedigo

Doc- when I worked for George Gruhn Billy Gibbons used to come into the store all the time- wish we could find a photo of Billy playing this banjo.


That would be so kool!

Edited by - DocSavino on 09/15/2021 18:23:16

Sep 16, 2021 - 10:00:08 AM
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2196 posts since 1/4/2009

A good buddy of mine is on tour with ZZ top now and checked with Billy Gibbons, he never owned this banjo.

Edited by - kyleb on 09/16/2021 10:00:33

Sep 16, 2021 - 10:12:47 AM

3854 posts since 3/28/2008

It could have been owned by a different Billy Gibbons.

clustrmaps.com/persons/William-Gibbons

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