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Aug 5, 2021 - 6:24:30 PM
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Edited by - antlerriver on 08/06/2021 20:35:38

Aug 5, 2021 - 6:51 PM
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58106 posts since 12/14/2005

The lower left one, with a teardrop-shaped dot below it, and more teardrop shaped dots down the fingerboard as position markers, and the clear banjo head reverse painted with  a picture something like this:

Aug 5, 2021 - 10:53:26 PM

58106 posts since 12/14/2005

I'm not disparaging your offer.
I just think differently.

Aug 6, 2021 - 5:55:50 AM

lapsteel

Canada

606 posts since 8/13/2015

Those are nice designs without tuning pegs. When pegs are installed on all 3 of your patterns, the design gets broken up or partially hidden. The white branch all the way through makes it look like the peg head was broken. If the birdie and branch were scaled down and fit between the pegs, your designs would look really good.

Aug 6, 2021 - 8:32:07 AM

12160 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by antlerriver

Im happy to make them Creative Commons so that anyone can use the designs as long as Im credited. I do work professionally doing illustration/print making so credit is important to me even if Im offering my designs for free.


These are really nice.

But please explain how someone would give you credit for using a peghead design. Would they inlay your name on the back of the peghead?

Lapsteel offers good insight. It might be a good idea to add circles representing the tuner washers (which will be even larger diameter than the tuner holes). Your design elements should be placed to work with the tuners, not the other way around.

But, again, these are attractive.  Nice work.

Aug 6, 2021 - 11:56:50 AM

Alex Z

USA

4493 posts since 12/7/2006

Peghead shape, holes for tuners, and space for truss rod cover are the boundary conditions for the designs.

If you want to see world class design and execution, check Companion Banjos photos.

Here is one:  https://www.companionbanjos.com/photos?lightbox=dataItem-jarie8fz

Enjoy.

Aug 6, 2021 - 3:12:48 PM

antlerriver

Canada

11 posts since 2/22/2021

y'all are absolutely zero fun. Im heading to the face book groups where people know how to interact.

Aug 6, 2021 - 3:16:03 PM

antlerriver

Canada

11 posts since 2/22/2021

quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory
quote:
Originally posted by antlerriver

Im happy to make them Creative Commons so that anyone can use the designs as long as Im credited. I do work professionally doing illustration/print making so credit is important to me even if Im offering my designs for free.


These are really nice.

But please explain how someone would give you credit for using a peghead design. Would they inlay your name on the back of the peghead?

Lapsteel offers good insight. It might be a good idea to add circles representing the tuner washers (which will be even larger diameter than the tuner holes). Your design elements should be placed to work with the tuners, not the other way around.

But, again, these are attractive.  Nice work.


Ok so if you use a creative commons design and publish something featuring it (facebook, instagram, magazine etc) you credit "design by Robin Henry"

also these are just concept designs. like a brain teaser for graphic designers/artist/illustrator

Aug 6, 2021 - 3:38:15 PM

12160 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by antlerriver
Ok so if you use a creative commons design and publish something featuring it (facebook, instagram, magazine etc) you credit "design by Robin Henry"


also these are just concept designs. like a brain teaser for graphic designers/artist/illustrator


I fully understand about crediting creators, sources and owners in a published use. It was part of my work for many decades.

I was asking how is someone supposed to give credit if they use one of your designs on the peghead of a banjo? This was a sincere question.

Also sincere and offered as constructive advice were the suggestions from me and others to take parts of an actual banjo into consideration when developing your design. It's fine that these are conceptual. We can understand that.

I said your work was attractive and really nice. I don't understand why we're "zero fun" if we suggest things you'll need to be aware of if you go beyond the conceptual.

Mike Gregory is a harmless joker. An entertainer. Never anything mean-spirited in his humor. So best not to have a thin skin around him.

I think the problem is not that we don't know how to interact around here, it's that some of us know really great banjo design when we see it. And we know nice design and OK design.

You may not like me. But I still like your designs.

Aug 6, 2021 - 5:39:11 PM
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568 posts since 1/28/2011

The pictures are OK, but maybe more appropriate for a bread box or something like that. I think they would make a banjo look cheap. The only animal designs on a banjo peghead that look good to me are the Stelling Red Fox and Swallowtail.

Aug 6, 2021 - 5:59:18 PM
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13878 posts since 6/29/2005

quote:
Originally posted by antlerriver


I would kill to see some one bring one of my designs to life on an instrument.


I don't know how you produced the designs you are showing - Photoshop?

Anyway, it is quite possible using Photoshop and Illustrator to produce very realistic facsimiles of fingerboards and peg head designs, "bringing them to life" in virtual form—it's the process I go through with every banjo I build in order to assure the design works on the peg head or fingerboard and send the client the final design to make sure we are on the same page before cutting MOP or other inlay material.

The more complex the design, the more important it is to do this. I have many examples.

I don't know how this thread will proceed, but it's an interesting one—something I'm familiar with, and I agree with Ken Norkin—the only way to get a "credit" for your design is to have your name inlaid on the peg head as the builder.

Aug 6, 2021 - 6:26:21 PM
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8929 posts since 8/28/2013

quote:
Originally posted by antlerriver

y'all are absolutely zero fun. Im heading to the face book groups where people know how to interact.


This kind of comment (complaint?) is the type of thing that will alienate those who might wish to comment in a positive way, or to use any of your designs. 

I, personally, wish to know just exactly what you consider to be fun and just exactly why we aren't. If you choose to disparage people, they should at least have the right to know why you dislike their comments and questions.

Aug 6, 2021 - 6:41:27 PM

antlerriver

Canada

11 posts since 2/22/2021

Ok so regarding "credit"

When I say to give credit if you use anything I design in Creative Commons im not saying: put my name on your frigging banjo lol.

what I'm saying is if you use anything I design and you publish anything featuring the design you just say "inlay design by Antler river or Robin Henry or you put a link to my socials in a post. its very basic

I can't really wrap my head around why that's confusing. Its no different than playing a cover song and verbally crediting the artist before or after playing it.

Aug 6, 2021 - 6:49:10 PM

antlerriver

Canada

11 posts since 2/22/2021

Ill also say that I posted almost this exact post in a banjo fb group and the response was actually people giving me prompts for what to draw, which was the whole point of the post. but instead here all I got was a bunch of "um actually" responses.

Like all I was asking for was responses like "hey draw a dog" or something. I usually like banjo hang outs but it often feels like a lot of cranky know it alls hang out here. Y'all missed the point of the post entirely.

Aug 6, 2021 - 7:10:03 PM
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lapsteel

Canada

606 posts since 8/13/2015

Hey, draw a cladoceran or a copepod. Some of them are quite pretty.

Aug 6, 2021 - 7:24:24 PM
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8929 posts since 8/28/2013

No, you were not simply asking for "prompts," although that was included in your initial post. However, you then immediately stated "Ill chose (sic) a few of my favorites," which rather confuses the issue. You go on to say, "I would kill to see some one bring one of my designs to life on an instrument." This makes your message even more confusing: are we to use one of the designs posted?

The comments about tuner positions, washer sizes, and truss rod covers are more than appropriate. How can any design (even one in response to "hey draw a dog") be utilized if you don't know the correct parameters to work within?

You also seem to have missed Alex Zakem's link, which to many people would be a treasure trove of "prompts."

I think your latest comment has stated a little more clearly what your initial purpose was, but once again, you have ruined any possible friendships here with your " it often feels like a lot of cranky know it alls hang out here."

I happily suggest you go back to your Facebook group since you seem to find so much to whine about here.

Aug 6, 2021 - 8:19:24 PM
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442 posts since 10/18/2020

I am totally confused antler river you want people to give you their ideas for designs and then you take credit for someone else's designs is the way i took your initial post, why do you feel that would even be fair to the person that actually gave you the idea to begin with
Great idea for you but really stupid for the ones giving up their designs to you

i am no expert believe me, but I will tell you insulting people on an open forum is not the smartest thing to do all it normally does is get you ignored

Aug 6, 2021 - 8:36:02 PM

antlerriver

Canada

11 posts since 2/22/2021

-_-

Aug 6, 2021 - 8:37:02 PM

12160 posts since 6/2/2008

quote:
Originally posted by antlerriver

Ok so regarding "credit"

When I say to give credit if you use anything I design in Creative Commons im not saying: put my name on your frigging banjo lol.

what I'm saying is if you use anything I design and you publish anything featuring the design you just say "inlay design by Antler river or Robin Henry or you put a link to my socials in a post. its very basic


This is making sense. Someone who used your peghead design in a banjo they built credits you should they post or publish something about it. No problem. 

Aug 6, 2021 - 9:44:14 PM

banjoy

USA

9795 posts since 7/1/2006

I just got home from picking, I guess I missed the party...

The OP was deleted when I got here ... I looked at the pics that are still on this poster's home page. They appear to be PhotoShopped to me (a tool I used for years and am very familiar with, or was ... before I chose to retire).

Interesting designs, they could have been made to work but could not work as they are, for obvious reasons as others pointed out. Oh well.

Some BHO members may recall a few years back when a new member came in, a graphic designer who had decided that his new logo for Deering Banjos was far better than what they were using and offered his design for critique and wanted BHO members to pressure Deering into using it. He correctly pointed out that Deering's logos are inconsistent across the brand (different logos on different levels of banjo, different logo for print, etc). It was pretty clear that he was a design student or graduate who had an understanding of corporate ID. What he didn't understand was banjo pickers or the Deering company.

That thread went about as well as this one.

Aug 7, 2021 - 4:20:09 AM
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Helix

USA

14498 posts since 8/30/2006

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Aug 7, 2021 - 5:45:51 AM
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2867 posts since 12/4/2009

Hello,

Design students are welcomed here. Functional design is the target.

Given the graphic designs, the designs would be broken up by the string posts. This was offered as real needs every design needs to consider. Some critical design features may have a tuning peg as the eyes.

Peg head designs are plenty. All conform to the intended use, tuning peg board. 4 or 5 strings depends on the builder. If the design cannot support the builder’s needs then, maybe it will never be used.

Dragons, parrots, dancers, animals, birds, and errata have been added to pegheads. They all had to negotiate their design with the strings and their posts. This is what every banjo maker must recognize.

Aug 7, 2021 - 7:20:46 AM
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13878 posts since 6/29/2005

Whatever the design may be, it's a good idea to make a tracing template of the peg head shape with the tuner holes located.

Tuners are not always the straight-through kind, some people using the worm-and-gear "guitar" type, so when you locate the holes, you have to keep that in mind.  If you are building a peghead with "ears", you are better off not having the holes right in the joint.

The peg-holes on the templates are used not only to develop the inlay design, but to screw the peghead onto an angle block while cutting the shape of the peghead on a bandsaw, and they also align the veneer during glue-up.

Here are some, which are made from thin acrylic—all the banjo ones have the holes in the same position if you were to stack them up.

Aug 7, 2021 - 1:37:29 PM

JSB88

UK

256 posts since 3/9/2017

What about the name JOHN in MOP running vertically down the centre of the peghead. Pretty cool, eh?? I think the Robin was almost as silly as the inlay of the Deering Zombie Killer banjo (was it Deering?)

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