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Aug 9, 2021 - 10:48:51 AM
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ONLY on the Banjo Hangout is it possible to turn a topic concerning banjo lessons, upside down, into an argument about wrestling, of all things.

Aug 9, 2021 - 11:11:10 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

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26558 posts since 8/3/2003

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Originally posted by okbluegrassbanjopicker

ONLY on the Banjo Hangout is it possible to turn a topic concerning banjo lessons, upside down, into an argument about wrestling, of all things.


Not at all unusual.   Happens fairly often here. 

Aug 9, 2021 - 12:06:11 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by okbluegrassbanjopicker

ONLY on the Banjo Hangout is it possible to turn a topic concerning banjo lessons, upside down, into an argument about wrestling, of all things.


Stick around long enough and you will find someome will get round to taking up the OP's argument and we will go full cycle. 

Aug 9, 2021 - 12:56:46 PM

15356 posts since 12/2/2005

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Originally posted by okbluegrassbanjopicker

ONLY on the Banjo Hangout is it possible to turn a topic concerning banjo lessons, upside down, into an argument about wrestling, of all things.


Apparently, you're one of the seven people in the United States who doesn't have a Facebook account. wink

Aug 9, 2021 - 12:59:39 PM
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Originally posted by stan laurel

fake = 100% ineffective for a fight that is not a points-based tournament


OK, thank you for clearing that up.  Reading this, along with what you have to say about banjo lessons, and probably any other music lessons, and seeing how new you are to the forum I realize that all this time I've been trying to have a sensible discussion with a Troll.  That, or you just have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.  Sorry, I have a lot on my mind, or I would have caught on sooner.

Back to your regular programming.

Aug 9, 2021 - 6:37 PM

Owen

Canada

9836 posts since 6/5/2011

Fred, re.  ....if the Dude is happy and wants to plod along with what he/she is doing I wish him/her well.  .... But you know the saying you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.    

Methinks maybe you confuse happy with a realistic assessment of my musical talent.  From time to time I wonder whether or not I might be a "special needs student," so far as music is concerned, and maybe the style (?) of teaching that I would most benefit from is still "out there."  As far as the horse goes, I suspect that a decade+ in, it might be getting a mite thirsty.

Tell the Dude to go sign up for a free silver pick membership at   http://banjobenclark.com and work thru the beginners learning path. Lessons are such fun and he/she will be surprised how skills, knowledge and confidence are improved.

If day 2 [tomorrow] isn't any more productive and less frustrating than day 1, there might not be days 3 - 7. 

After mucho rigamarole on what, to me [no computer whiz, I'll tell ya] was a fairly user unfriendly site [eg. at one point a box with "choose file" appeared.... I clicked on it only to have a file of some of my photos displayed. WTF?!?! Clicking on "cancel" did nothing and I had to log out to get rid of the photo file.]  Eventually I was able to open an account, and [maybe?] sign up for the silver pick membership.  I got a message that I had successfully created an account [though the page displays "Gold Pick Trial"] and found a list of lessons... along with the advice to "start at the very beginning." The beginning lessons are: Be an educated banjo buyer / All about finger picks / All about tuners /  etc., / etc.  I don't if that's what I need or not.... if that's a good start point for 3 trial lessons.

Anyway, I looked 'em over and decided on "Intro. to theory part 1: notes, timing, counting & more."  I wouldn't say I know most of the stuff in that lesson, but I'm aware of it.  In any event, there was no "fun" in the presentation and I kinda wonder how much value there is if I don't end up using standard notation. 

I couldn't find any way to ask questions.  10 hours later, and several check-ins to try and make heads/tails of things, the site still says I have 0 of 3  lessons "unlocked" [whatever that means], but that I've "watched" 1 lesson.    What a screw up!!!  If there's one bright spot I guess it's that I didn't get to any "hokey."

We shall see what tomorrow brings..........

Aug 9, 2021 - 6:48:44 PM
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I DO have a Facebook account, but I ignore a lot of the nonsense that gets posted. I am NOT the “typical” FaceBooker.

Aug 10, 2021 - 5:45:29 AM
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I have taken lessons for a year and a half. Without in person lessons I'm sure I would have progressed slower. I even did some paid online lessons early on and I did learn things with them as well. If someone is serious about learning banjo paid lessons are good. I would not go through all the trouble of preparing and uploading all the educational material required to teach multiple levels of banjo students for free. It's nice that there are some free resources but to expect it all for free is unrealistic. This forum is a great resource as well.

Aug 10, 2021 - 6:03:35 AM

4735 posts since 2/24/2004

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Originally posted by Buck the Banjo Player

Banjo lessons are a complete joke, they are simply not worth money, from ANYONE.

1) Learn the rolls, the Youtubes is replete with free roll lessons.
2) Learn basic G-C-D songs
3) Learn the Circle of fifths, to play 1-4-5 in any key

then simply practice. There is NO shortcut, not really, except to get your RIGHT hand working before you touch the neck at all.

Do not get an expensive banjo at first. Old banjos are mostly junk. If you want to get something for life, get a nechville.com/ classic

If you want perfection for pennies, Get a Recording King "dirty 30's" banjo for about $250

practice to Bluegrass backing tracks, and slow them down until you can roll with a 1-4-5 pattern. such as these in

Here is a bunch of them - youtube.com/channel/UC15lVvYBl...LF6wDm0Ig

If you see a TEASER video, where the lesson is good, but ends early, and they want you to pay, leave that B.S alone


Hahaha--this is soooo hilarious!  Sounds like a lot of fun too :)  Over the years I've found that folks do the best in live group lessons --especially if there are seasonal recitals or shows .  If you can pick up how to play from YouTube--that's fine & good --go for it :)

the one piece of good advice here is Nechville banjos . I don't own one --but have played several & they are indeed wonderful banjos . I really like the Meteor :)

Best banjo wishes,

Mary Z Cox

maryzcox.com


Aug 10, 2021 - 6:13:26 AM

4735 posts since 2/24/2004

quote:
Originally posted by stan laurel
quote:
Originally posted by eagleisland
quote:
Originally posted by okbluegrassbanjopicker

ONLY on the Banjo Hangout is it possible to turn a topic concerning banjo lessons, upside down, into an argument about wrestling, of all things.


Apparently, you're one of the seven people in the United States who doesn't have a Facebook account. wink


that means he isn't a 58 yr old grandmother (on Facebook)


And now there is women bashing & grandma bashing because FB is not a source of  young women playing porno banjo ? Get real--if you want young sexy women to teach you banjo--you will have to pay big time :)

Aug 10, 2021 - 6:23:15 AM
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Originally posted by stan laurel

How could anyone absorb an hour of banjo knowledge?


I teach a lot of hour-long lessons. A big portion of most lessons is spent watching students play back to me what I've shown them, so I can identify and correct any mistakes. I'm not looking for mistakes in execution--practice will fix those--but mistakes in conception, like erroneous timing, inefficient fingering, etc. I want to make sure that they don't waste time practicing wrong stuff at home. And yes, that does take time to do. When students are starting to improvise or work on backup, I also spend time playing with them in a setting that's more structured (and possibly more forgiving) than a jam. These are all examples, I think, of lesson time well spent.

Aug 10, 2021 - 6:38:10 AM

58494 posts since 12/14/2005

Whew!
I'm giving a beginner his 2nd lesson today.
Sure am glad to know that I'm allowed to take his money.

Aug 10, 2021 - 7:01:24 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Ira Gitlin
quote:
Originally posted by stan laurel

How could anyone absorb an hour of banjo knowledge?


I teach a lot of hour-long lessons. A big portion of most lessons is spent watching students play back to me what I've shown them, so I can identify and correct any mistakes. I'm not looking for mistakes in execution--practice will fix those--but mistakes in conception, like erroneous timing, inefficient fingering, etc. I want to make sure that they don't waste time practicing wrong stuff at home. And yes, that does take time to do. When students are starting to improvise or work on backup, I also spend time playing with them in a setting that's more structured (and possibly more forgiving) than a jam. These are all examples, I think, of lesson time well spent.

 


Haha--you are absolutely right :) Amazingly - have  had some students come from out of state & pay big money to just tell them if they play okay for a beginner.  I usually tell them what they are doing right & where they need more work .  It's usually the right hand that needs more work & I stress listening & being able to hum or sing the melody to any tune before attempting to play it .  Most students are hobbyists who love the sound of banjo . And they would like to play a few recognizable tunes that their family enjoys .  
Some folks do get unhappy with their teachers because they are not suddenly banjo super stars playing lightening fast tunes on YouTube after a lesson or two :)

And when I offer a solid suggestion to improve play--the comment I hear most is

" that's what my banjo teacher keeps saying every week "  :)  The only thing I do different is put my hands on their hands & move their fingers in the right direction .  
Look at how violin is taught --kids start those Suzuki lessons at age 3 & keep on for years getting the basics--if they decide to be fiddlers --then they study that particular genre techniques . Even Cajun fiddlers learn from an early age from a family member & play second fiddle their whole lives until their teacher dies & then they get to be first fiddle in the band :)

And here is the kicker--learning to play fast from random YouTube folks --if you are able to actually do this--it's kind of like a parrot talking--you may be flashy but you sound pretty much like everyone else so unless you are a 3 year old on roller skates playing dueling banjos on two banjos--no one is actually interested in hearing that :)

Best banjo wishes,

Mary Z Cox

maryzcox.com




Aug 10, 2021 - 7:03:16 AM
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Stan,
How much longer can you, and other trolls continue this garbage. You are destroying BHO as many people, including myself are leaving because of trolls like yourself. Unless Eric changes the way and who can join BHO it is doomed to extinction because sane thinking people can't take it anymore and it's no longer fun...Jack Baker

Edited by - Jack Baker on 08/10/2021 07:11:30

Aug 10, 2021 - 7:18:19 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by stan laurel
quote:
Originally posted by Ira Gitlin
quote:
Originally posted by stan laurel

How could anyone absorb an hour of banjo knowledge?


I teach a lot of hour-long lessons. A big portion of most lessons is spent watching students play back to me what I've shown them, so I can identify and correct any mistakes. I'm not looking for mistakes in execution--practice will fix those--but mistakes in conception, like erroneous timing, inefficient fingering, etc. I want to make sure that they don't waste time practicing wrong stuff at home. And yes, that does take time to do. When students are starting to improvise or work on backup, I also spend time playing with them in a setting that's more structured (and possibly more forgiving) than a jam. These are all examples, I think, of lesson time well spent.

 


it sounds like a dishonest way of making money, like a bum begging for money for food, when they really spend it on booze or drugs. You are just stringing people along. The banjo simply takes practice and those that pay for lessons are simply impatient.  All lessons can be had for free online, although not true before 2010 or so


Bless your heart.

Edited by - Ira Gitlin on 08/10/2021 07:18:36

Aug 10, 2021 - 7:22:12 AM
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phb

Germany

3068 posts since 11/8/2010

quote:
Originally posted by Jack Baker

Stan,
How much longer can you, and other trolls continue this garbage. You are destroying BHO as many people, including myself are leaving because of trolls like yourself. Unless Eric changes the way and who can join BHO it is doomed to extinction because sane thinking people can't take it anymore and it's no longer fun...Jack Baker


Jack, please don't leave. This site (as all internet sites) has seen a lot of trolls. They all eventually get tired of their trolling because of the lack of response and find another site that is more entertaining to them. Ignoring is the worst thing you can do to a troll. Sane thinking people can tell a troll from valuable contributors such as you.

Aug 10, 2021 - 7:45:01 AM
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So back to the original subject. I have found that different instructors have different methods and no one instructor is perfect. For instance I’ve received instruction on various ways to hold the banjo, different left hand placement, different left thumb placement etc.. each successive instructor notes that the previous instruction was incorrect. That’s ok. Professional players have different approaches as well.

Find what suits you best as far as different learning approaches and go with it. And don’t forget to have fun.

Aug 10, 2021 - 8:19:05 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

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26558 posts since 8/3/2003

I have found that a good teacher will show you how to hold the banjo, wear the picks and strike the strings and will also tell you that people are different: tall, short, thin, hefty and have long, short and mid sized fingers so it's best to find what fits the person the best rather than take for gospel what the teacher says.

Aug 10, 2021 - 8:46:24 AM
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When I was first learning banjo--I took bluegrass lessons from a Florida bluegrass player for 4 years every week & paid him his regular rate & I looked forward to my lesson every week & also tried to give him birthday & Christmas gifts too .  When I finally got good enough to play in a small band--he still would show me stuff to help with that . When we played our first festival where his band was playing too --he sat right in the front row to watch us play. It was really cold-about 30 degrees on the outside stage & I sure made a lot of mistakes -haha - & I must have looked so crushed that he waved me down & asked me to sit next to him & told me that I played real well & probably hardly anyone noticed any of my wrong notes . Then he sat with me when the Osborn Brothers played & pointed out every single blooper Sonny made.  No one plays perfect outdoors in 30 degree weather :).  My teacher even counted my bloopers & Sonny's and told me that I had about 5 less mistakes-but no one except a pro banjoist would be able to tell & they would not generally be sitting out in the cold to do that :)

I have many many other stories of good teachers in an array of fields--I always paid everyone top dollar & I was always very happy with all my teachers & instructors & everyone always taught me lots & mostly it was fun too :)

Best banjo wishes,

Mary Z Cox


Aug 10, 2021 - 9:20:35 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by maryzcox

Haha--you are absolutely right :) Amazingly - have  had some students come from out of state & pay big money to just tell them if they play okay for a beginner.  I usually tell them what they are doing right & where they need more work .  It's usually the right hand that needs more work & I stress listening & being able to hum or sing the melody to any tune before attempting to play it .  Most students are hobbyists who love the sound of banjo . And they would like to play a few recognizable tunes that their family enjoys .  
Some folks do get unhappy with their teachers because they are not suddenly banjo super stars playing lightening fast tunes on YouTube after a lesson or two :)

And when I offer a solid suggestion to improve play--the comment I hear most is

" that's what my banjo teacher keeps saying every week "  :)  The only thing I do different is put my hands on their hands & move their fingers in the right direction .  
Look at how violin is taught --kids start those Suzuki lessons at age 3 & keep on for years getting the basics--if they decide to be fiddlers --then they study that particular genre techniques . Even Cajun fiddlers learn from an early age from a family member & play second fiddle their whole lives until their teacher dies & then they get to be first fiddle in the band :)

And here is the kicker--learning to play fast from random YouTube folks --if you are able to actually do this--it's kind of like a parrot talking--you may be flashy but you sound pretty much like everyone else so unless you are a 3 year old on roller skates playing dueling banjos on two banjos--no one is actually interested in hearing that :)

Best banjo wishes,

Mary Z Cox

maryzcox.com


  

 

I love that you included a couple of SQUARED EEL pics in your reply, but I'd like to add a photo which- in what will NEVER be a HUMBLE opinion- which illustrates the MAIN reason to play banjo:

Sharing the JOY.

Aug 10, 2021 - 9:35:55 AM
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quote:     
Originally posted by mike gregory
quote:
Originally posted by maryzcox

Haha--you are absolutely right :) Amazingly - have  had some students come from out of state & pay big money to just tell them if they play okay for a beginner.  I usually tell them what they are doing right & where they need more work .  It's usually the right hand that needs more work & I stress listening & being able to hum or sing the melody to any tune before attempting to play it .  Most students are hobbyists who love the sound of banjo . And they would like to play a few recognizable tunes that their family enjoys .  
Some folks do get unhappy with their teachers because they are not suddenly banjo super stars playing lightening fast tunes on YouTube after a lesson or two :)

And when I offer a solid suggestion to improve play--the comment I hear most is

" that's what my banjo teacher keeps saying every week "  :)  The only thing I do different is put my hands on their hands & move their fingers in the right direction .  
Look at how violin is taught --kids start those Suzuki lessons at age 3 & keep on for years getting the basics--if they decide to be fiddlers --then they study that particular genre techniques . Even Cajun fiddlers learn from an early age from a family member & play second fiddle their whole lives until their teacher dies & then they get to be first fiddle in the band :)

And here is the kicker--learning to play fast from random YouTube folks --if you are able to actually do this--it's kind of like a parrot talking--you may be flashy but you sound pretty much like everyone else so unless you are a 3 year old on roller skates playing dueling banjos on two banjos--no one is actually interested in hearing that :)

Best banjo wishes,

Mary Z Cox

maryzcox.com


  

 

I love that you included a couple of SQUARED EEL pics in your reply, but I'd like to add a photo which- in what will NEVER be a HUMBLE opinion- which illustrates the MAIN reason to play banjo:

Sharing the JOY.


Aug 10, 2021 - 11:40:31 AM

7146 posts since 8/30/2004

Quite simple really. You talk gibberish and contribute nothing....Find another site to play in...But I do know that trolls never ever stop...

Edited by - Jack Baker on 08/10/2021 11:45:27

Aug 10, 2021 - 12:11:27 PM

7146 posts since 8/30/2004

As I said, trolls never ever stop and so on and on you will go. I am finished with this....

Aug 10, 2021 - 12:45:02 PM

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Originally posted by Owen

Fred, re.  ....if the Dude is happy and wants to plod along with what he/she is doing I wish him/her well.  .... But you know the saying you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.    

Methinks maybe you confuse happy with a realistic assessment of my musical talent.  From time to time I wonder whether or not I might be a "special needs student," so far as music is concerned, and maybe the style (?) of teaching that I would most benefit from is still "out there."  As far as the horse goes, I suspect that a decade+ in, it might be getting a mite thirsty.

Tell the Dude to go sign up for a free silver pick membership at   http://banjobenclark.com and work thru the beginners learning path. Lessons are such fun and he/she will be surprised how skills, knowledge and confidence are improved.

If day 2 [tomorrow] isn't any more productive and less frustrating than day 1, there might not be days 3 - 7. 

After mucho rigamarole on what, to me [no computer whiz, I'll tell ya] was a fairly user unfriendly site [eg. at one point a box with "choose file" appeared.... I clicked on it only to have a file of some of my photos displayed. WTF?!?! Clicking on "cancel" did nothing and I had to log out to get rid of the photo file.]  Eventually I was able to open an account, and [maybe?] sign up for the silver pick membership.  I got a message that I had successfully created an account [though the page displays "Gold Pick Trial"] and found a list of lessons... along with the advice to "start at the very beginning." The beginning lessons are: Be an educated banjo buyer / All about finger picks / All about tuners /  etc., / etc.  I don't if that's what I need or not.... if that's a good start point for 3 trial lessons.

Anyway, I looked 'em over and decided on "Intro. to theory part 1: notes, timing, counting & more."  I wouldn't say I know most of the stuff in that lesson, but I'm aware of it.  In any event, there was no "fun" in the presentation and I kinda wonder how much value there is if I don't end up using standard notation. 

I couldn't find any way to ask questions.  10 hours later, and several check-ins to try and make heads/tails of things, the site still says I have 0 of 3  lessons "unlocked" [whatever that means], but that I've "watched" 1 lesson.    What a screw up!!!  If there's one bright spot I guess it's that I didn't get to any "hokey."

We shall see what tomorrow brings..........

 


Ok so some lessons are free and others are premium lessons. The premium lessons are the ones you unlock. If you click on Forum you can ask all the questions you want, the members are always willing to help. If you want to get Ben's attention type @BanjoBen in your message. You can also PM Ben by clicking on his Avatar Photo and click on Message. Most of us who have some knowledge of the internet do get confused when we join a new website. Once you get your bearings and can navigate the site you'll be fine. If you click on Banjo on the HEADER then Beginners Track you can scroll down and see the list of lessons for that category. As for the Gold Pick Trial I think Ben may have just renamed the Silver Pick membership. You should ask Ben about this.  Take your time look around the site first, Don't rush to unlock lessons. Look at the free stuff first. Then when you feel comfortable choose a lesson you want to work thru. Remember once you unlock a premium lesson it's free you can revisit it as many times as your wish. Enjoy.  

Aug 10, 2021 - 12:47:04 PM

Owen

Canada

9836 posts since 6/5/2011

Off onto a tangent, but this ....

   

.....made me think of the old bluegrass classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in1eK3x1PBI   wink

 


Edit: Thanks Fred, looks like I got caught in the cross-fire.   So far today I wasn't having much better luck than yesterday, although I did find two places to post a couple of questions [I trust answers will appear in due course].   Your instructions re. contact/questions should help. Thanks.

Edited by - Owen on 08/10/2021 12:51:10

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