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Aug 2, 2021 - 6:17:46 PM
1074 posts since 1/26/2011

One of these tuners slips occasionally.    it's the 3rd string. Looking closely at all of them, the leather washer looks to be thinner on that one than the others.  Where can I purchase a replacement?

Thanks!


Edited by - jdeluke137 on 08/02/2021 18:39:58

Aug 2, 2021 - 6:46:21 PM

1074 posts since 1/26/2011

As an addendum- I found some Hofi leather washers at Greg Boyd, and some Keith leather washers at Elderly, but I'm not sure what fits.

Here's a link to the Hofi:

https://gregboyd.com/product/hofi-leather-washers-pkg-of-6/

Edited by - jdeluke137 on 08/02/2021 18:46:49

Aug 2, 2021 - 7:43:21 PM

4317 posts since 6/15/2005

The leather washers that that Greg Boyd sells are smaller and thinner than the Keith washers. I have them on a variety of tuners including Gibson tuners and they work well. Keith washers will also work, but because they are larger they look kind of clunky on tuners other than Keiths. The HOFI (House of Fine Instruments) washers fit right in.

Aug 2, 2021 - 8:02:21 PM

1074 posts since 1/26/2011

Great! Thanks!

Aug 3, 2021 - 7:12:47 AM

12153 posts since 6/2/2008

Leather washers that I put on some Schaller tuners are a little bit wider than both the base of the button and the metal cap the button contacts if no washer is present. This is different from your tuners, on which the washer goes between that cap and the tuner housing.

Schallers don't have a washer there, and I don't remember why I installed any.

Also, I bought the washers too long ago to remember if I got them from JDMC music, Elderly or Greg Boyd. I know I've bought parts from all of them over the years. I do remember that they seemed too smooth, and so I roughed them up.

I also bought some washers from Bill Keith when he was alive, but I don't recall using them on anything other than my Keith Tuners.

Aug 3, 2021 - 7:17:55 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory

Leather washers that I put on some Schaller tuners are a little bit wider than both the base of the button and the metal cap the button contacts if no washer is present. This is different from your tuners, on which the washer goes between that cap and the tuner housing.

Schallers don't have a washer there, and I don't remember why I installed any.

Also, I bought the washers too long ago to remember if I got them from JDMC music, Elderly or Greg Boyd. I know I've bought parts from all of them over the years. I do remember that they seemed too smooth, and so I roughed them up.

I also bought some washers from Bill Keith when he was alive, but I don't recall using them on anything other than my Keith Tuners.


Thanks Ken.  I ordered the ones from Greg Boyd based on Arnie's recommendation.  I'll report back once I change it out for the benefit of others who may have the same question.

Aug 3, 2021 - 7:23:32 AM

3866 posts since 3/28/2008

On an unrelated matter, that's an interesting banjo, jdeluke137 --style 12 inlays and a double-cut headstock. What's its story?

Aug 3, 2021 - 8:10:15 AM
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1074 posts since 1/26/2011

It’s a 1932 TB3 conversion I bought from Geoff Hohwald. I believe the neck was made by Steve Huber.

Aug 3, 2021 - 1:53:35 PM

13870 posts since 6/29/2005

I have used nylon washers on tuners and other banjo fittings, and they work very well—I wonder if they would have same function as leather ones?

Aug 4, 2021 - 7:48:02 AM
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Years ago Bill Keith gave me some leather washers for my Keith tuners, saying that he preferred them to the original synthetic ones. The only significant difference I can tell is that the tuners now get very tight in the summer humidity, and too loose in the winter. Can someone please explain leather's supposed superiority?

Edited by - Ira Gitlin on 08/04/2021 07:48:47

Aug 4, 2021 - 9:25:15 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Ira Gitlin

Years ago Bill Keith gave me some leather washers for my Keith tuners, saying that he preferred them to the original synthetic ones. The only significant difference I can tell is that the tuners now get very tight in the summer humidity, and too loose in the winter. Can someone please explain leather's supposed superiority?


I believe it's a traditional material that lives on despite other things that would work better, but I don't think anyone is going to invest a lot of time and engineering developing washers for D-tuners.  If it was part of an electric guitar, it would be worth it economically.

I would say that Teflon would be a pretty good material in terms of compressive strength and lubricity.

https://store.mathesongas.com/cga-washers-teflon/

Aug 4, 2021 - 9:36:38 AM

3866 posts since 3/28/2008

quote:
Originally posted by Ken LeVan

I would say that Teflon would be a pretty good material in terms of compressive strength and lubricity.

https://store.mathesongas.com/cga-washers-teflon/


"Lubricity", eh?  See definitions #4 and #5 here: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/lubricity.

Aug 4, 2021 - 10:10:26 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Ira Gitlin

Years ago Bill Keith gave me some leather washers for my Keith tuners, saying that he preferred them to the original synthetic ones. The only significant difference I can tell is that the tuners now get very tight in the summer humidity, and too loose in the winter. Can someone please explain leather's supposed superiority?


It's a test, Ira.devil

Aug 5, 2021 - 7:33:43 PM

Kevin B

USA

3245 posts since 1/24/2005

I got a $6 set of leather punches at Amazon and make my own. I punch the OD first then center the punch on the leather disc for the ID.

Aug 5, 2021 - 8:22:36 PM

1074 posts since 1/26/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin B

I got a $6 set of leather punches at Amazon and make my own. I punch the OD first then center the punch on the leather disc for the ID.


What kind of leather do you use to get the right thickness?

Aug 6, 2021 - 2:36:19 AM

Kevin B

USA

3245 posts since 1/24/2005

I bought a leather assortment at Hobby Lobby and compare the leather with the original washers. I also save leather scraps from discarded items.

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