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Bill Maher makes some great points about the Olympics .....

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Aug 2, 2021 - 12:57:31 PM
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and funny too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anUlV6umjqM

PS:  Congrats to the Canadian Women's soccer team!

 


 

Edited by - BanjoLink on 08/02/2021 13:09:36

Aug 2, 2021 - 4:58:43 PM

RB3

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Thanks for the link John! Maher's commentaries are always clever, and I seldom find myself disagreeing with him.

Aug 2, 2021 - 9:14:30 PM
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Originally posted by RB3

Thanks for the link John! Maher's commentaries are always clever, and I seldom find myself disagreeing with him.


Wayne, I don't always agree with him, but you have to give him credit as being an equal opportunity offender and I usually wind up agreeing with him on really stupid PC stuff like this.

Aug 3, 2021 - 8:59:08 AM
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banjoy

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I agree with you completely, BanjoLink

I kinda love-hate Bill Maher. I agree with him quite a bit, but sometimes he forgets that he's part of the elite he rails about. He did a segment last year about fat people that was absolutely disgraceful and way, way off base. Not everyone has a personal chef as Bill does.

I usually frame my weekends with Bill Maher clips on Friday night / Saturday morning, and Jon Oliver clips on Sunday evening / Monday morning. Keeps the ol' noodle firing on all 4 cylinders (hey, I'm the economy job here).

Aug 3, 2021 - 12:06:19 PM

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Originally posted by banjoy

I agree with you completely, BanjoLink

I kinda love-hate Bill Maher. I agree with him quite a bit, but sometimes he forgets that he's part of the elite he rails about. He did a segment last year about fat people that was absolutely disgraceful and way, way off base. Not everyone has a personal chef as Bill does.

I usually frame my weekends with Bill Maher clips on Friday night / Saturday morning, and Jon Oliver clips on Sunday evening / Monday morning. Keeps the ol' noodle firing on all 4 cylinders (hey, I'm the economy job here).


You are right .... he is an equal opportunity offender, but some of his targets are way off base, as you have noted.  And he is among the elite that he rails against .... but seems to be exempt from too much criticism .... probably because of that.

Aug 3, 2021 - 12:26:13 PM

chuckv97

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I get a kick out of Maher.

Aug 3, 2021 - 2:59:18 PM

Paul R

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I find him to be a pompous know-it-all and find his monologues and retorts to reflect an attitude of superiority. "I know best." Even if I agree with his point of view, I find his delivery off-putting. As well, his comment on the audience in this video is unwarranted and goes against the point he's trying to make.

Aug 3, 2021 - 3:22:25 PM
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Originally posted by Paul R

I find him to be a pompous know-it-all and find his monologues and retorts to reflect an attitude of superiority. "I know best." Even if I agree with his point of view, I find his delivery off-putting. As well, his comment on the audience in this video is unwarranted and goes against the point he's trying to make.


Paul, you are also correct!  Even when you agree with him his style can be off-putting!

Aug 3, 2021 - 3:24:13 PM
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He’s not as pompous as Bill O’Reilly/O’Riledup

Aug 3, 2021 - 3:38:51 PM

Paul R

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Originally posted by chuckv97

He’s not as pompous as Bill O’Reilly/O’Riledup


Or Trust Fund Tucker.

Aug 3, 2021 - 4:01:11 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Paul R
quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

He’s not as pompous as Bill O’Reilly/O’Riledup


Or Trust Fund Tucker.


Larry Solway could be grating

Aug 3, 2021 - 4:25:46 PM
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RB3

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Don't forget that Maher once lost a successful, network TV show because of something he said. The show, which aired from 1993 to 2002, was even named "Politically Incorrect".

In the aftermath of 911, a lot of people were saying that the terrorists who flew the planes into the twin towers were cowards. His clumsy response to those comments got him fired. He suggested that it took guts to fly a plane into a building. He then said "We have been the cowards. Lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building. Say what you want about it. Not cowardly." That was the end of his career at ABC.

Aug 3, 2021 - 4:39:48 PM
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He was, of course, quite right about that.

Aug 3, 2021 - 5:27:24 PM
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Paul R

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He was, of course, quite right about that.


Yes, but, for a comedian, his timing sure was off.

Aug 3, 2021 - 5:38:59 PM

Tommy5

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Maher finds and attacks straw men every week on his show. Yes it is unfair to condemn folks for jokes they made decades ago., I did hear his original comments about how brave the terrorist were and how cowardly our response was., I thought it was absurd., you don’t want to be the bravest folks in the war, you just have to win and if using technology as a substitute for fresh blood is cowardly, sign me up with the cowards.

Aug 4, 2021 - 8:13:38 AM
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Originally posted by Tommy5

Maher finds and attacks straw men every week on his show. Yes it is unfair to condemn folks for jokes they made decades ago., I did hear his original comments about how brave the terrorist were and how cowardly our response was., I thought it was absurd., you don’t want to be the bravest folks in the war, you just have to win and if using technology as a substitute for fresh blood is cowardly, sign me up with the cowards.


Yep, as Patton said ....“No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.”

Aug 4, 2021 - 8:19:24 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5

Maher finds and attacks straw men every week on his show. Yes it is unfair to condemn folks for jokes they made decades ago., I did hear his original comments about how brave the terrorist were and how cowardly our response was., I thought it was absurd., you don’t want to be the bravest folks in the war, you just have to win and if using technology as a substitute for fresh blood is cowardly, sign me up with the cowards.


Attacking someone who cannot defend themselves is the very definition of cowardice, even if you do die in the attack. 

Aug 4, 2021 - 8:26:42 AM

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.... is the salient point ^^, whether somebody is defenseless or whether somebody dies in mounting an attack?

It seems to me what you've said is equivalent to:  Attacking someone who cannot defend themselves is the very definition of cowardice, even if you don't die in the attack. 

Aug 4, 2021 - 8:32:01 AM
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DC5

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quote:
Originally posted by Owen

.... is the salient point ^^, whether somebody is defenseless or whether somebody dies in mounting an attack?

It seems to me what you've said is equivalent to:  Attacking someone who cannot defend themselves is the very definition of cowardice, even if you don't die in the attack. 


If I make a suicide attack on you, without warning so that you are unable to defend, or thwart the attack, I am a coward.  Suicide bombers are cowards. 

Aug 4, 2021 - 8:32:08 AM
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banjoy

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Yeah I think that sure was an instance of where Bill Maher was completely tone deaf, being a contrarian moron. He does that sometimes. Bill also forgets he's not the macho macho man he seems to revere so much.

Since this thread has turned into Bill Maher instead of the Olympics ... for kicks and grins, go to YouTube and find the Howard Stern interview with Maher, especially when he's asked about not being married and choosing to remain single. It's kinda fun to watch Bill squirm.

Aug 4, 2021 - 8:49:09 AM

Owen

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quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Owen

.... is the salient point ^^, whether somebody is defenseless or whether somebody dies in mounting an attack?

It seems to me what you've said is equivalent to:  Attacking someone who cannot defend themselves is the very definition of cowardice, even if you don't die in the attack. 


If I make a suicide attack on you, without warning so that you are unable to defend, or thwart the attack, I am a coward.  Suicide bombers are cowards. 


Fair enough, but my question was also [maybe even moreso] about non-suicide bombers/attackers.  Is the factor of whether or not the attacker dies, (a) more important, or (b) less important than whether or not the target person/people are defenseless?  [And I'm hoping for an (a) or a (b), not simply a "yes." wink ]

Edit: And iffin one wants "Olympics".... how about having a significant increase in heart  and/or respiration rate due to physical exertion being a main factor in whether a "sport" (?) is in or out??

Edited by - Owen on 08/04/2021 08:55:02

Aug 4, 2021 - 8:59:12 AM
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DC5

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quote:
Originally posted by Owen
quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Owen

.... is the salient point ^^, whether somebody is defenseless or whether somebody dies in mounting an attack?

It seems to me what you've said is equivalent to:  Attacking someone who cannot defend themselves is the very definition of cowardice, even if you don't die in the attack. 


If I make a suicide attack on you, without warning so that you are unable to defend, or thwart the attack, I am a coward.  Suicide bombers are cowards. 


Fair enough, but my question was also [maybe even moreso] about non-suicide bombers/attackers.  Is the factor of whether or not the attacker dies, (a) more important, or (b) less important than whether or not the target person/people are defenseless?  [And I'm hoping for an (a) or a (b), not simply a "yes." wink ]

Edit: And iffin one wants "Olympics".... how about having a significant increase in heart  or respiration rate due to physical exertion being a main factor in whether a sport (?) is in or out??


Whether the attacker dies is irrelevant.  Any surprise attack where the attackee is unable to defend themself is an act of cowardice.  Maher claimed that the attackers were brave because they committed suicide.  I claim they were cowards because the people in the towers, were helpless to thwart the attack.  If you run up behind me and hit me over the head with a bat, you are a coward.  If, on the other hand, you come at me with a bat, I see you and pull out my gun, and you keep coming, you are now not a coward.  Stupid maybe, but not a coward. 

Aug 4, 2021 - 9:08:07 AM

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"Whether the attacker dies is irrelevant."  PERIOD.   wink   Thanks.

Aug 4, 2021 - 11:23:17 AM

Tommy5

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quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5

Maher finds and attacks straw men every week on his show. Yes it is unfair to condemn folks for jokes they made decades ago., I did hear his original comments about how brave the terrorist were and how cowardly our response was., I thought it was absurd., you don’t want to be the bravest folks in the war, you just have to win and if using technology as a substitute for fresh blood is cowardly, sign me up with the cowards.


Attacking someone who cannot defend themselves is the very definition of cowardice, even if you do die in the attack. 


Except we are talking about war, the whole point of which is to kill your opponent without getting killed yourself, the days of chivalry ended centuries ago,

Aug 4, 2021 - 11:27:49 AM
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DC5

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quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5
quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5

Maher finds and attacks straw men every week on his show. Yes it is unfair to condemn folks for jokes they made decades ago., I did hear his original comments about how brave the terrorist were and how cowardly our response was., I thought it was absurd., you don’t want to be the bravest folks in the war, you just have to win and if using technology as a substitute for fresh blood is cowardly, sign me up with the cowards.


Attacking someone who cannot defend themselves is the very definition of cowardice, even if you do die in the attack. 


Except we are talking about war, the whole point of which is to kill your opponent without getting killed yourself, the days of chivalry ended centuries ago,


Still an act of cowardice.

Aug 4, 2021 - 7:11:22 PM

Paul R

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quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5
quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5

Maher finds and attacks straw men every week on his show. Yes it is unfair to condemn folks for jokes they made decades ago., I did hear his original comments about how brave the terrorist were and how cowardly our response was., I thought it was absurd., you don’t want to be the bravest folks in the war, you just have to win and if using technology as a substitute for fresh blood is cowardly, sign me up with the cowards.


Attacking someone who cannot defend themselves is the very definition of cowardice, even if you do die in the attack. 


Except we are talking about war, the whole point of which is to kill your opponent without getting killed yourself, the days of chivalry ended centuries ago,


Still an act of cowardice.


Not in war. It's common sense. If you're already at war, it's the enemy's job to be on guard for any kind of attack. Tough in him if he's surprised.

I think the kind of frontal charge used in WWI was brave but stupid. The attack on Pearl Harbor may be seen as cowardly in a sense. The attack on Taranto, on the other hand, was smart, innovative tactics.

I also think going down with the ship is colossally stupid, as was the Japanese commanding officers' ritual suicides. They deprived themselves of many good military minds.

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