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Do you consider the pandemic to be temporary or permanent?

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Aug 3, 2021 - 9:27:29 AM
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RB3

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1096 posts since 4/12/2004

The pandemic is temporary; the stupidity is permanent.

Aug 3, 2021 - 11:41:30 AM

Owen

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9563 posts since 6/5/2011

Wayne, tongue-in-cheek [or maybe not], do you figure the permanent stupidity on one "side" is more-or-less off-set by the permanent stupidity on t'other?   Or is there a significant imbalance?    IF there is an imbalance would it be primarily due to quantity [i.e. # of people]? ... or quality [i.e. real stoopidity / run-of-the-mill stupidity / brain cramps / or ??? ]?   devil

Aug 3, 2021 - 12:28:34 PM
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chuckv97

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I say quality of stoopiditie, Owen. But then who am I to judge ,,,,, unless you trot out that auld saw “ it takes one to know one”.

Aug 3, 2021 - 1:25:24 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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The flu is irrelevant in dealing with Covid-19. We have long since reached a consensus on dealing (or not) with the flu. Covid-19 is a very different illness—far more contagious, far more debilitating when it doesn’t kill you, and, it seems, much faster to mutate. Ethically and morally, you do not have the freedom to decide for yourself how to deal with Covid, because it is all but certain your behavior will affect others one way or another—for two reasons: transmissibility of the disease and the significant number of asymptomatic carriers, who can spread Covid unknowingly. You may be willing to risk contracting Covid-19, but you have no legal or moral right to endanger others. You have an ethical obligation to do all you can to prevent that. Your personal belief that you are doing so even if you go unmasked and unvaccinated doesn’t cut it.

Edited by - Bill Rogers on 08/03/2021 13:28:11

Aug 3, 2021 - 1:31:01 PM

kww

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1352 posts since 6/21/2008

quote:
Originally posted by AndrewD

Any reason why it shouldn't follow the trajectory of the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic ? This had 4 successive waves over 2 years and then disappeared. Like most of us here (including the self-appointed experts) I'm not a virologist or epidemiologist so I don't know.


I don't think anyone knows for certain. Frequently, though, a virus eventually mutates into a form that has little effect on the host but conveys resistance to more virulent forms of the virus. Such a variant maximises its spread (because the hosts still go to work, socialise, and congregate, because they do not feel sick) and minimises the spread of its competition. There's no guarantee that there is such a variant of COVID-19, but if there is, it will spread and crowd out its competition.

Aug 3, 2021 - 2:01:10 PM

figmo59

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Temporary...

Aug 3, 2021 - 4:38:02 PM
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1221 posts since 1/25/2017

There's way too much invested in this virus for it to be temporary.

Aug 3, 2021 - 4:57:18 PM
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rcc56

USA

3743 posts since 2/20/2016

When you get to be over 60, temporary is a relative term . . .

Aug 3, 2021 - 5:09:22 PM

Bart Veerman

Canada

5043 posts since 1/5/2005

The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to protest...

Aug 4, 2021 - 3:46:34 AM

4363 posts since 12/6/2009

Back in around 55/56 our small school had at its peak 35% absent because of the flu. I’ll have to look up which one it was. Our small 7th grade had 20 kids and 10 were absent for over a week and a half kids were coming and going......never heard a word about closing schools or wearing masks or any impositions at all.....it ran its course and the next year...very little sickness at all. Herd immunities set in. and thousands of older folks were dying all over the place. It was worldwide and millions died. The only restrictions we had is if you knew someone had the flu...you stayed away from their house till they got over it.....and they did. (just like today)

looked it up....my date was off...says 57. 7th grade.....Asian flu....is it ok to say Asian with out getting locked????? lol

Edited by - overhere on 08/04/2021 03:54:29

Aug 4, 2021 - 4:00:53 AM

banjoy

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9850 posts since 7/1/2006

In my opinion, this is temporary and will pass within a year or two. That is, until the next pandemic comes around. This has been predicted for years and now it's coming to pass, and you can easily educate yourself as to why this was predicted to begin with. No one listened and here we are.

It's kinda similar to the water situation out west, which has been predicted for decades to get worse and worse to the point that water will be a very scarce and valuable resource, such that states will be at odds with each other. There is tons of literature and documentation in the wild about these scientific predictions -- which are now coming true -- yet no one listened.

At this point, I now know of three people who were hospitalized for covid. One is currently in the hospital as I type this, I do not know him personally but he is the son of Dan X. Padgett's girlfriend, in the hospital right now. The two folks I know personally (one is a very well known banjo picker who posts here on BHO who I won't name publicly because he has chose to remain silent on his illness) both told me this is way way way worse than the flu.

Anyway, this lockdown stuff for this specific thing will pass in time. But there will be another bug come along, that's a given. Not if, but when.

My 2 cents.

Aug 4, 2021 - 4:09:31 AM

figmo59

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quote:
Originally posted by figmo59

Temporary...


The politicization of it...

Will last a long time.....

 

Keep us devided...n is a good smoke screan.. far thos who like to manipulated the masses...

 

 

Hi...me name is Figmo...

N...I have big stock in ...Reynolds Wrap...

But...

At least Me brains are all in one..spot.. ;0)

Aug 4, 2021 - 5:39:22 AM
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74963 posts since 5/9/2007

The pandemic is as strong or weak as we make it.It just takes common sense to know what to do to defeat it.
The ball is in our court and this is no time to "choke".

Aug 4, 2021 - 6:00:24 AM
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Originally posted by steve davis

The pandemic is as strong or weak as we make it.It just takes common sense to know what to do to defeat it.
The ball is in our court and this is no time to "choke".


The burden isn't only on the US. As long as there are unvaccinated countries out there breeding variants we won't be able to stop it here. Unless we ban all travel and that isn't going to happen.

Aug 4, 2021 - 6:22:07 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by banjoy

In my opinion, this is temporary and will pass within a year or two. That is, until the next pandemic comes around. This has been predicted for years and now it's coming to pass, and you can easily educate yourself as to why this was predicted to begin with. No one listened and here we are.

It's kinda similar to the water situation out west, which has been predicted for decades to get worse and worse to the point that water will be a very scarce and valuable resource, such that states will be at odds with each other. There is tons of literature and documentation in the wild about these scientific predictions -- which are now coming true -- yet no one listened.

At this point, I now know of three people who were hospitalized for covid. One is currently in the hospital as I type this, I do not know him personally but he is the son of Dan X. Padgett's girlfriend, in the hospital right now. The two folks I know personally (one is a very well known banjo picker who posts here on BHO who I won't name publicly because he has chose to remain silent on his illness) both told me this is way way way worse than the flu.

Anyway, this lockdown stuff for this specific thing will pass in time. But there will be another bug come along, that's a given. Not if, but when.

My 2 cents.


Frank .... funny (not in a haha way), but 30 years ago my barber, in all of his wisdom) said we will run out of water before we run out of oil.  We all thought he was crazy, but not so sure anymore.  We may not literally, but it sure makes a lot more sense now than it did then.  Having worked in the west, everything there, in terms of development, is based on "water rights".  You only get so much water to utilize.  The area that I worked in (New Mexico), the water was so hard that it was undrinkable ...... even after going through a water softener device.

Aug 4, 2021 - 7:04:14 AM
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The critical stage of the pandemic will end, the virus will likely stick around in a somewhat less deadly form forever. The virus spreads too easily, so even if we somehow managed to vaccinate everyone on the planet, the virus would have mutated by the time you got that last needle in the last arm to defeat the vaccine. We were able to eradicate smallpox because of massive, mandatory vaccinations, and the disease, though contagious, was not anywhere near as easy to spread as C-19. We virtually wiped out polio, and could, if people kept up with vaccination. It too did not spread easily as it was not airborne.

(BTW, Jan, if you are reading this, Polio can also be spread by infected, asymptomatic people.)

Aug 4, 2021 - 7:19:48 AM
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As long as enough people can suck it up and get shots we'll be fine.
Nobody wants anyone else to die from Covid do they?

Aug 4, 2021 - 7:22:55 AM
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74963 posts since 5/9/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Banjonewguy
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis

The pandemic is as strong or weak as we make it.It just takes common sense to know what to do to defeat it.
The ball is in our court and this is no time to "choke".


The burden isn't only on the US. As long as there are unvaccinated countries out there breeding variants we won't be able to stop it here. Unless we ban all travel and that isn't going to happen.


We have to start somewhere,Pretending to read the future doesn't get anything done.

Rolling up your sleeve is all you have to do.

Aug 4, 2021 - 7:24:41 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by steve davis

As long as enough people can suck it up and get shots we'll be fine.
Nobody wants anyone else to die from Covid do they?


I don't think too many people want anyone to die but the fact is, they're going to. Just like they do every year from the flu. Vaccinations didn't wipe out the flu and they aren't going to wipe out COVID. Just as Dave said, it is airborne, mutates quickly and spreads quickly. It's not going anywhere. The severity will most likely change, but the infection won't go away.

Aug 4, 2021 - 7:28:15 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by steve davis

As long as enough people can suck it up and get shots we'll be fine.
Nobody wants anyone else to die from Covid do they?


75% of the new Delta cases in Massachusetts are with vaccinated people, not unvaccinated.  Just gettin everyone the shot is not going to be enough, and we will never get everyone to take the shot.

Aug 4, 2021 - 7:33:29 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Banjonewguy
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis

As long as enough people can suck it up and get shots we'll be fine.
Nobody wants anyone else to die from Covid do they?


I don't think too many people want anyone to die but the fact is, they're going to. Just like they do every year from the flu. Vaccinations didn't wipe out the flu and they aren't going to wipe out COVID. Just as Dave said, it is airborne, mutates quickly and spreads quickly. It's not going anywhere. The severity will most likely change, but the infection won't go away.


What epidemiologist did you study under?

Aug 4, 2021 - 7:49:42 AM

94 posts since 10/5/2019

It should’ve lasted a few weeks like most other flus that go around but they’ve done a good job dragging it out so long. Steady income I guess. Hopefully people will have had enough of it sooner than later as I have

Aug 4, 2021 - 7:50:47 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by steve davis
quote:
Originally posted by Banjonewguy
quote:
Originally posted by steve davis

As long as enough people can suck it up and get shots we'll be fine.
Nobody wants anyone else to die from Covid do they?


I don't think too many people want anyone to die but the fact is, they're going to. Just like they do every year from the flu. Vaccinations didn't wipe out the flu and they aren't going to wipe out COVID. Just as Dave said, it is airborne, mutates quickly and spreads quickly. It's not going anywhere. The severity will most likely change, but the infection won't go away.


What epidemiologist did you study under?


Which one did you study under?  I, personally, did teach High School Biology for 15 years, and I have a Master's degree in Science Education.  The crux of modern biology is evolution.  Everything we teach is about how organisms have evolved.  We study the evolution of viruses and bacteria because these can be viewed in real time.  We looked at the evolution of the HIV virus and how it was able to defeat all the medications thrown at it.  Extrapolating that data to the Corona viruses is not a difficult thing to do.  The virus will not go away, just like the Spanish flu has not gone away, or the swine flu, or the avian flu, or any other influenza.  As long as the virus can infect and reproduce, it will survive, and since a large number of vaccinate people are now being infected, albeit in most cases with mild symptoms, the virus has adapted to infect the vaccinated.  Evolution will have to run it's course, and evolution would not favor any virus that kills it's hosts.  It needs the host to survive in order for the virus to spread.  Airborne viruses are the most difficult to contain.  It's not rocket surgery, just a simple understanding of virus reproduction and evolution.

Aug 4, 2021 - 7:57:47 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Timothy Lindblom

It should’ve lasted a few weeks like most other flus that go around but they’ve done a good job dragging it out so long. Steady income I guess. Hopefully people will have had enough of it sooner than later as I have


It's not the flu. They are caused by entirely different classes of viruses.

Aug 4, 2021 - 8:02:10 AM

94 posts since 10/5/2019

I don’t see it to be any more or less dangerous than a flu but I realize it is different. 

Edited by - Timothy Lindblom on 08/04/2021 08:02:33

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