Banjo Hangout Logo
Banjo Hangout Logo

Premier Sponsors

337
Banjo Lovers Online


Jul 31, 2021 - 5:01:20 PM
24 posts since 11/20/2016

I am a few years in on the banjo but still struggle horribly with matching rolls/licks to tunes I want to play. I am trying to come up with something for Nailed to the Cross by Rend Collective. It seems like a great song for banjo, kind of a celtic sound. Tab for any portion of this song or even ideas would be very much appreciated.

I can only play three finger style

Here is the you tube link: youtu.be/GFLk6v7US3I

Here is a link to the chords (switch to key of G): worshipchords.com/nailed-to-th...s-chords/

Thanks!
John

Jul 31, 2021 - 6:37:19 PM
likes this

2567 posts since 5/2/2012

First of all, it is in 3/4 time, so that will help dictate your choice of picking pattern(s). The tempo is slow, so you might do a search on utube for "slow backup for banjo" and you will find some instruction from Bryan Haywood, Eli Gilbert and Jody Hughes, for starters (although I'm not sure if there is much in 3/4 time, I know Jody Hughes is not). You may get some ideas there. Mike Hedding and Eli Gilbert have videos on 3/4 time backup.  Good luck with this project.

Edited by - thisoldman on 07/31/2021 18:38:25

Jul 31, 2021 - 6:55:45 PM

2567 posts since 5/2/2012

If you do a search for "3/4 backup" here on the HO you will find a few old posts with some ideas.

Jul 31, 2021 - 7:41:05 PM
like this

216 posts since 3/2/2013

I'm not really a tab player and i tend to look at rolls as a way to describe what i'm doing but not something i think about while i'm doing it. I find it helps to fit my "rolls" to the melody (or harmony if that what i choose) and not the other way around. Now thats just what works for me so if you are not that type of player and you've gotten stuck trying to fit the melody or whatever into a pre established roll pattern you want to do than try and reverse that thinking. Earl didn't realize he was playing rolls until someone told him and sometimes we get hung up on this roll pattern stuff to the extent we don't think outside the box and just play what feels natural. So that aside...optimize your pinches and rests in the places of the song where it doesn't seem to flow as good. Nothing says you have to keep a continous roll going and IMHO sometimes in contemparary Christian music it just doesn't make good musical sense to keep a roll continuous. For example you might just do a forward/backward roll to fit it to the melody better than a forward roll would but at that point in the song maybe it feels a little weird to keep rolling so don't be afraid to throw in a pinch or even a rest etc.etc. I'm not sure what level you are at but if you can't switch between forward, backward, alternating thumb, and forward/reverse rolls at will and without thinking than that will add an element of difficulty so I would really work on that if need be. It just removes one thing you have to think about and helps you go on "feel" rather than "what roll do i need to do here" if that makes sense. Thats what works for me anyway. Good luck!

Jul 31, 2021 - 7:56:01 PM
likes this

216 posts since 3/2/2013

P.S. Also if you can, make the backwards roll and forward reverse your friend. I've found in contemparary music they can soften up a contemparary song where it might be a little more difficult or harsher sounding to use a forward roll. Not to make it sound like a forward roll absolutely won't work of course.

Edited by - brententz on 07/31/2021 19:58:29

Jul 31, 2021 - 9:33:08 PM
likes this

2910 posts since 4/19/2008

here's what I would do
3231 231 23


Aug 1, 2021 - 7:05:56 AM

24 posts since 11/20/2016

quote:
Originally posted by thisoldman

First of all, it is in 3/4 time, so that will help dictate your choice of picking pattern(s). The tempo is slow, so you might do a search on utube for "slow backup for banjo" and you will find some instruction from Bryan Haywood, Eli Gilbert and Jody Hughes, for starters (although I'm not sure if there is much in 3/4 time, I know Jody Hughes is not). You may get some ideas there. Mike Hedding and Eli Gilbert have videos on 3/4 time backup.  Good luck with this project.


Thanks for pointing out the 3/4!  That did not jump out at me.  In fact, even after knowing that I had some difficulty tracking the beat.  

Aug 1, 2021 - 7:08:13 AM
likes this

2567 posts since 5/2/2012

I'm with Brent, as you will need to fit your picking with the vocals. To me, a continuous roll is not going to fit in well. And there are times when leaving some "space" (not playing at all) would work well. Playing continuous rolls would work for some contemporary Christian songs,to provide that "drive" but I don't think this is one of them because of the tempo and the phrasing of the vocalist. Experiment, and trust your ear.

Saw your reply...I, too, had trouble tracking the beat and I found it was 3/4 time by looking at a sample of the sheet music.  If you search out "sheet music (name of song)", you can see a sample of the sheet music.  

Edited by - thisoldman on 08/01/2021 07:12:28

Aug 1, 2021 - 7:08:35 AM

24 posts since 11/20/2016

quote:
Originally posted by brententz

P.S. Also if you can, make the backwards roll and forward reverse your friend. I've found in contemparary music they can soften up a contemparary song where it might be a little more difficult or harsher sounding to use a forward roll. Not to make it sound like a forward roll absolutely won't work of course.


Thanks Brent.  I have notice others using these rolls on contemporary music.  Good advice!

Aug 1, 2021 - 7:09:19 AM
likes this

192 posts since 11/28/2006

I’m hearing it more in 6/8 time, which seems to fit better with the phrasing of the vocals. A minor difference, as the 3/4 patterns will work but you may look at ideas for playing jigs for some other options.

Aug 1, 2021 - 7:10 AM

24 posts since 11/20/2016

quote:
Originally posted by mmuussiiccaall

here's what I would do
3231 231 23


Thanks Rick I like that!   It is frustrating to me that I can't seem to come up with stuff like this.  It seems simple when someone else shows me.

Aug 1, 2021 - 7:11:34 AM

24 posts since 11/20/2016

quote:
Originally posted by thisoldman

I'm with Brent, as you will need to fit your picking with the vocals. To me, a continuous roll is not going to fit in well. And there are times when leaving some "space" (not playing at all) would work well. Playing continuous rolls would work for some contemporary Christian songs,to provide that "drive" but I don't think this is one of them because of the tempo and the phrasing of the vocalist. Experiment, and trust your ear.


Good point - totally agree.

Aug 1, 2021 - 7:13:34 AM
likes this

24 posts since 11/20/2016

quote:
Originally posted by Ron Lacey

I’m hearing it more in 6/8 time, which seems to fit better with the phrasing of the vocals. A minor difference, as the 3/4 patterns will work but you may look at ideas for playing jigs for some other options.


I guess that must be why I'm struggling to track the beat.  This is a good example of the many occasions it would be nice to have an in-person instructor.

Aug 2, 2021 - 6:32:08 AM
likes this

192 posts since 11/28/2006

quote:
Originally posted by jkroening
quote:
Originally posted by Ron Lacey

I’m hearing it more in 6/8 time, which seems to fit better with the phrasing of the vocals. A minor difference, as the 3/4 patterns will work but you may look at ideas for playing jigs for some other options.


I guess that must be why I'm struggling to track the beat.  This is a good example of the many occasions it would be nice to have an in-person instructor.


It's really more due to experience. I played guitar and bass guitar in a praise band for about 10 years and I still sub when asked. 
Praise music and bluegrass have a lot in common as the emphasis is on the lyrics, they usually have 3 or 4 chords, and they're in guitar friendly keys unless you have a singer with an unusual range.  No murder ballads or instrumentals in praise music and not a lot of instrument breaks. We had a banjo player in one group and he mostly comped. As was said above if you support the vocals you will take care of business.
I'm currently working on Tony Trischka's material on ArtistWorks and Tony emphasizes playing the lyrics, at least in his intermediate material.

Aug 6, 2021 - 6:23:39 AM

2567 posts since 5/2/2012

jkroening I just remembered that Doub Pearce did a couple videos on youtube where he played along/improvised with a couple of worship tunes. One was 10000 Reasons. May not help you on this song, but may give you some ideas going forward.

Aug 6, 2021 - 11:21:25 AM

24 posts since 11/20/2016

Thanks for that! I will take a look as soon as I get a chance

Hangout Network Help

View All Topics  |  View Categories

0.296875