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Jul 22, 2021 - 12:24 PM
10446 posts since 8/22/2006

“EVERYBODY IS A GENIUS. BUT IF YOU JUDGE A FISH BY ITS ABILITY TO CLIMB A TREE, IT WILL LIVE ITS WHOLE LIFE BELIEVING THAT IT IS STUPID.”
-ALBERT EINSTEIN

OR

Spend his life falling out of trees...

Which leads to the definition of insanity

Then ending up with
a quote by Dirty Harry

A mans got to know his limitations

but in this case a fish.

Or does the fish knows his limitations and realize climbing trees in his case would be stupid.

Hummm
Einstein may have a point
it’s all in the interpretation

forgot to mention that little word "IT" for such a small word carries a heavy load in this quote

Edited by - 5B-Ranch on 07/22/2021 12:32:37

Jul 22, 2021 - 12:33:32 PM
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Owen

Canada

9360 posts since 6/5/2011

I think Ol' Al got the "everybody" part wrong.    Even if he'd said "everybody is a genius at something," I think he'd still have it wrong. Heck, the kids in Lake Wobegon were only "above average" [although I acknowledge that genius is a part of above average].

Fwiw,  MY "genius" manifests itself in that ^^ lone assessment.... there's nothing else worth writing home about.   sad

Jul 22, 2021 - 12:37:40 PM

10446 posts since 8/22/2006

Thanks for the chuckle Owen. You got some Dirty Harry insight going on.

Jul 22, 2021 - 1:02:13 PM
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rcc56

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3699 posts since 2/20/2016

My only question about Einstein is was he as good a violinist as he was a scientist?
If the anecdotes about him are accurate, apparently he wasn't very good at taking care of himself. But lots of folks are like that.
At 64 years of age, I doubt that at this point, I'm much better at climbing trees than a fish.
I can still cook a pot of stew and play a few tunes.

Edited by - rcc56 on 07/22/2021 13:04:43

Jul 22, 2021 - 1:22:30 PM

Omeboy

USA

2941 posts since 6/27/2013

According to a website called "Quote Investigator," there is no substantive evidence that Einstein ever made this statement.
(But obviously who ever made the original statement wasn't exactly Mensa Club material.)

Jul 22, 2021 - 1:27:35 PM
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2151 posts since 2/12/2009

not sure how smart he was but, he was surely a great manager for the Beatles !

Jul 22, 2021 - 1:40:18 PM

10446 posts since 8/22/2006

quote:
Originally posted by Omeboy

According to a website called "Quote Investigator," there is no substantive evidence that Einstein ever made this statement.
(But obviously who ever made the original statement wasn't exactly Mensa Club material.)


If that's true then I stand by this statement Fish are stupid. :-) einstien  or no einstien. 

Jul 22, 2021 - 2:14:06 PM
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3786 posts since 4/22/2018

Of course he was a genius - he invented gravity for Gods sake.

Jul 22, 2021 - 2:20:03 PM
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4325 posts since 12/6/2009

I worked for a brilliant trial lawyer at his house (electrical work). and once a year I would be called to replace light bulbs he had turned the wrong way and broke when he went to replace them. also he was stymied with his low voltage out door lights because they had the stab in prangs and he was puzzled at that.
Every one is smart but only at what they
are capable of doing.

Jul 22, 2021 - 2:36:23 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Wet Spaniel

Of course he was a genius - he invented gravity for Gods sake.


Gee .... Jonty .... everybody knows that Newton invented gravity.  We like to give you Brits credit where it is due.

Jul 22, 2021 - 2:42:49 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink
quote:
Originally posted by Wet Spaniel

Of course he was a genius - he invented gravity for Gods sake.


Gee .... Jonty .... everybody knows that Newton invented gravity.  We like to give you Brits credit where it is due.


I'm blaming the pain medication 

 

and not being a genius myself 

Jul 22, 2021 - 3:04:03 PM

Tommy5

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3874 posts since 2/22/2009

Actually Einstein is overrated, the true mathematical genius behind relativity is a guy know as Lorenz. It’s the Lorentz equations that Einstein’s uses and derives his equations from, also Maxwell’s field equations on electromagnetism are also a part of Einstein’s work on relativity and quantum mechanics. Of course every genius and scientist work rest on the shoulders of those who came before. Einstein because of his weird hair do  was seized upon by the media as a sort template for the mad or at least eccentric genius,, Einstein worked in a very exciting time for physics scientist and he worked at the Berlin institute which was full of the best scientist in the world at the time. Obviously the brain is complicated , and having a brain packed with knowledge is different from a fluid brain that quickly solves problems or a creative one that invents new stuff and sees relationships others don’t. Einstein's thought experiments are of course brilliant and he is credited with being the smartest guy ever, I'm not sure that is true and I'm not sure it isn't. There is a kind of reverse snobbism where smart folks are ridiculed as geeks and said to have " no common sense ", there is also the mis conception that people can only be gifted with one thing, so  beautiful blonds must be morons , gifted athletes idiots, smart people not attractive.

Edited by - Tommy5 on 07/22/2021 15:18:54

Jul 22, 2021 - 3:16:37 PM
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58070 posts since 12/14/2005

Einstein owes his most famous fame to his high-school math teacher,

E.E. Qualls-McSquared

Jul 22, 2021 - 3:31:44 PM
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DC5

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19908 posts since 6/30/2015

I think he was brilliant, and very funny, may he rest in peace.

youtube.com/watch?v=VOaDpSbmjNQ

Jul 22, 2021 - 5:55:03 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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25134 posts since 6/25/2005

Guys like Einstein were/are off-the-chart smart. Doesn’t mean they know how to fix cars or repair dishwashers. Enrico Fermi went from prep-school applicant to Ph.D. In 2 years or so. That sort of scientific ability is a gift, like the musical genius of a Mozart.

Jul 22, 2021 - 6:13:38 PM

10446 posts since 8/22/2006

I thought we were going to discuss the intelligence of a fish. :-)

Jul 22, 2021 - 6:22:43 PM
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Owen

Canada

9360 posts since 6/5/2011

Well, I'll acknowledge that education and intelligence sometimes aren't acquaintances, but I've heard that fish spend a considerable amount of time in school(s). cheeky

Jul 22, 2021 - 6:28:06 PM
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10446 posts since 8/22/2006

quote:
Originally posted by Owen

Well, I'll acknowledge that education and intelligence sometimes aren't acquaintances, but I've heard that fish spend a considerable amount of time in school(s). cheeky


Everything is watered down and brainwashing is a problem. But I'm catching on. 
 


 

Jul 22, 2021 - 6:32:05 PM
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Einstein did tremendous good by locking all things to the speed of light's limit on movement. Blaming this on his space time idea is one I think will get reworked into new territory. It happens in science, . Folks like him were just passing thru throwing knowledge on the pile.
not about Albert but anyway-----When some one brags of a photographic memory ,I tend to talk about having no knowledge of ,what to do with ,the pictures

Jul 22, 2021 - 7:16:20 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5

Actually Einstein is overrated, the true mathematical genius behind relativity is a guy know as Lorenz. It’s the Lorentz equations that Einstein’s uses and derives his equations from, also Maxwell’s field equations on electromagnetism are also a part of Einstein’s work on relativity and quantum mechanics. Of course every genius and scientist work rest on the shoulders of those who came before. Einstein because of his weird hair do  was seized upon by the media as a sort template for the mad or at least eccentric genius,, Einstein worked in a very exciting time for physics scientist and he worked at the Berlin institute which was full of the best scientist in the world at the time. Obviously the brain is complicated , and having a brain packed with knowledge is different from a fluid brain that quickly solves problems or a creative one that invents new stuff and sees relationships others don’t. Einstein's thought experiments are of course brilliant and he is credited with being the smartest guy ever, I'm not sure that is true and I'm not sure it isn't. There is a kind of reverse snobbism where smart folks are ridiculed as geeks and said to have " no common sense ", there is also the mis conception that people can only be gifted with one thing, so  beautiful blonds must be morons , gifted athletes idiots, smart people not attractive.


That's kind of true, but also not really.

Lorentz contribution was through the Lorentz transform, which isn't an especially tricky bit of maths to get your head around. Einstein (and some other less credited scientists / mathematicians) essentially realised that if he conducted his mathematics in a certain geometry, the Lorentz transform was quite useful. That's not to say Lorentz wasn't a genius too, but not up there with Einstein. And same story with maxwell - the equations aren't hard, Einstein was just super clever with them.

The genius involved in Einstein's theories aren't really to do with the maths - the underpinning mathematics is relatively straightforward if you have a reasonable background in it. It's the way he formulated seemingly trivial thought experiments and developed multiple revolutionary physical theories from them. 
 

Let me put it this way, if everyone forgets that you founded quantum mechanics because the rest of your work was EVEN MORE impressive, then you're a genius.

Jul 22, 2021 - 8:08:55 PM
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eljimb0

USA

2014 posts since 7/24/2007

I think that 'knowing' that you are stupid is an impossibility, ..much like knowing that you are dead.

Jul 22, 2021 - 8:27:54 PM

Tommy5

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3874 posts since 2/22/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5

Actually Einstein is overrated, the true mathematical genius behind relativity is a guy know as Lorenz. It’s the Lorentz equations that Einstein’s uses and derives his equations from, also Maxwell’s field equations on electromagnetism are also a part of Einstein’s work on relativity and quantum mechanics. Of course every genius and scientist work rest on the shoulders of those who came before. Einstein because of his weird hair do  was seized upon by the media as a sort template for the mad or at least eccentric genius,, Einstein worked in a very exciting time for physics scientist and he worked at the Berlin institute which was full of the best scientist in the world at the time. Obviously the brain is complicated , and having a brain packed with knowledge is different from a fluid brain that quickly solves problems or a creative one that invents new stuff and sees relationships others don’t. Einstein's thought experiments are of course brilliant and he is credited with being the smartest guy ever, I'm not sure that is true and I'm not sure it isn't. There is a kind of reverse snobbism where smart folks are ridiculed as geeks and said to have " no common sense ", there is also the mis conception that people can only be gifted with one thing, so  beautiful blonds must be morons , gifted athletes idiots, smart people not attractive.


That's kind of true, but also not really.

Lorentz contribution was through the Lorentz transform, which isn't an especially tricky bit of maths to get your head around. Einstein (and some other less credited scientists / mathematicians) essentially realised that if he conducted his mathematics in a certain geometry, the Lorentz transform was quite useful. That's not to say Lorentz wasn't a genius too, but not up there with Einstein. And same story with maxwell - the equations aren't hard, Einstein was just super clever with them.

The genius involved in Einstein's theories aren't really to do with the maths - the underpinning mathematics is relatively straightforward if you have a reasonable background in it. It's the way he formulated seemingly trivial thought experiments and developed multiple revolutionary physical theories from them. 
 

Let me put it this way, if everyone forgets that you founded quantum mechanics because the rest of your work was EVEN MORE impressive, then you're a genius.


Yes, I certainly agree he was a genus, he founded quantum mechanics which lead to his noble prize for his  photo- electric  effect explanation . He didn't seem to like the direction quantum mechanics took saying God doesn't play dice with the universe and does anybody really believe the moon doesn't exist if nobody sees it? Quantum mechanics is still a bit of a mystery, the joke is is somebody says they understand quantum mechanics, they don't understand quantum mechanics.

Edited by - Tommy5 on 07/22/2021 20:30:19

Jul 22, 2021 - 8:38:56 PM
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All I know is Copernicus was very Jealous of Newton in fact one of his quotes if I’m correct was “He so smug that Newton he thinks everything revolves around him” ok I made that up.

Jul 22, 2021 - 8:44:32 PM

12411 posts since 1/15/2005

His son, Hans Albert Einstein used to live a couple of streets over from me, a little before my time, but he was also a pretty smart dude. But I guess if your father was Albert Einstein, chances are you would have a few pretty decent brain cells.

Jul 23, 2021 - 12:33:17 AM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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25134 posts since 6/25/2005

Read up on Robert Oppeheimer, who may have been the most brilliant of them all.

Jul 23, 2021 - 12:57:54 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5
quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5

Actually Einstein is overrated, the true mathematical genius behind relativity is a guy know as Lorenz. It’s the Lorentz equations that Einstein’s uses and derives his equations from, also Maxwell’s field equations on electromagnetism are also a part of Einstein’s work on relativity and quantum mechanics. Of course every genius and scientist work rest on the shoulders of those who came before. Einstein because of his weird hair do  was seized upon by the media as a sort template for the mad or at least eccentric genius,, Einstein worked in a very exciting time for physics scientist and he worked at the Berlin institute which was full of the best scientist in the world at the time. Obviously the brain is complicated , and having a brain packed with knowledge is different from a fluid brain that quickly solves problems or a creative one that invents new stuff and sees relationships others don’t. Einstein's thought experiments are of course brilliant and he is credited with being the smartest guy ever, I'm not sure that is true and I'm not sure it isn't. There is a kind of reverse snobbism where smart folks are ridiculed as geeks and said to have " no common sense ", there is also the mis conception that people can only be gifted with one thing, so  beautiful blonds must be morons , gifted athletes idiots, smart people not attractive.


That's kind of true, but also not really.

Lorentz contribution was through the Lorentz transform, which isn't an especially tricky bit of maths to get your head around. Einstein (and some other less credited scientists / mathematicians) essentially realised that if he conducted his mathematics in a certain geometry, the Lorentz transform was quite useful. That's not to say Lorentz wasn't a genius too, but not up there with Einstein. And same story with maxwell - the equations aren't hard, Einstein was just super clever with them.

The genius involved in Einstein's theories aren't really to do with the maths - the underpinning mathematics is relatively straightforward if you have a reasonable background in it. It's the way he formulated seemingly trivial thought experiments and developed multiple revolutionary physical theories from them. 
 

Let me put it this way, if everyone forgets that you founded quantum mechanics because the rest of your work was EVEN MORE impressive, then you're a genius.


Yes, I certainly agree he was a genus, he founded quantum mechanics which lead to his noble prize for his  photo- electric  effect explanation . He didn't seem to like the direction quantum mechanics took saying God doesn't play dice with the universe and does anybody really believe the moon doesn't exist if nobody sees it? Quantum mechanics is still a bit of a mystery, the joke is is somebody says they understand quantum mechanics, they don't understand quantum mechanics.


Yeah he seemed to view quantum mechanics as a massive spanner in the works of understanding the universe. And to be fair... he wasn't wrong. Quantum mechanics is such a lovely theory when viewed in isolation... everything about it seems to make sense, and the mathematics is surprisingly doable, despite the fact that the physics is really unintuitive. Problem is, it just doesn't seem to fit with all the other theories... 

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