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Jun 24, 2021 - 12:43:06 PM
3519 posts since 9/12/2016

I kinda noticed it awhile back and it is starting to "add-up".
I have never had a presence on you ,tube .I only store vids there. I have another place for that type of exchange and of course here.
Anyway my latest vid ,a rerun . It just got 77 new views on you tube and the reason is I posted it here. It is Tobacco Road and was already on you tube so---no reason for it to have an increase there .It has 29 views here and 77 new views there. I have been wondering why I was getting hits on you tube . You tube has this big new button on the vids now --keeping me from being more famous .
I am not complaining or asking for a fix .I am just putting forth knowledge on this.

As it stands I just have to go over there to get my count.

That also explains things like 20 likes and 10 views

Edited by - Tractor1 on 06/24/2021 12:49:41

Jun 24, 2021 - 1:34:19 PM


Virgin Islands (U.S.)

207 posts since 5/11/2021

So a few things. The main issue here is that BHO counts views differently than YouTube. This manifests itself in many ways.

On BHO, as long as you click "play", it counts as a view and you can repeat this as much as you want. You could watch for 1 second and it's a view, refresh the page and click play again and that's a second view, and you could do this countless times to increase your views. At least 5 of the views on BHO are from me, testing this theory, just now. On YouTube, users must watch a video for at least 30 seconds before it's a view, and repeat viewings only get counted once every 24hrs.

Also, if someone watches the video from the BHO website, it still counts as a view on YouTube. But a view on YouTube alone isn't a view on BHO, unless the viewer came from the BHO media link.

YouTube also obfuscates views. The number shown on the website isn't actually the exact number of views your video has received. BHO doesn't do this. This is the main cause of a video having more likes than views: YouTube might not tally every "view", but every time someone clicks the 'like' button it always counts.

Another clarification, and possible explanation for having more views counts on YouTube than BHO. You mention that you don't have a presence on YouTube, and only store videos there. However, most of the videos on your YouTube channel are public and listed. That means that if anyone searches for a topic that your videos match, it might pop up and they might view it. Or it can get suggested by the YouTube playlist algorithm and pushed out to millions of viewers. You also have subscribers on YouTube, so anytime you upload a video those people are notified and they probably watch your videos without ever going to BHO. So at least some of the views on YouTube are from non-BHO viewers, that just found your video on YouTube.

One last piece of information. The "view on youtube" option has always existed, you would typically click the YouTube icon or the text title at the top of the video. The only change here is that they added a more visible button. But the option was always there. 

Edited by - YellowSkyBlueSun on 06/24/2021 13:37:46

Jun 24, 2021 - 2:32:51 PM

3519 posts since 9/12/2016

By not having a presence I meant an aggressive social presence. ( swapping -likes comments and subscriptions)
Actually I went to you tube's analytics and it shows 80 % of the views ( on said vid ) in the last 48 hrs' were from external sources.
I wondered if there was always a button ,but it seems as of late ,I started hitting it ,so I figured the marketing gremlins had at least pulled something.
thanks for the response. You did tell me a couple or 3 things new to me.
off topic I just found an extension( for foxfire) to cut down on the tube hitting every vid with countless ads

I think some folks give certain friends a like here then head off to you tube to watch. Once again this is not to diss anything ,just pointing out how it has changed things here . imo

Edited by - Tractor1 on 06/24/2021 14:46:27

Jun 24, 2021 - 3:12:50 PM


Virgin Islands (U.S.)

207 posts since 5/11/2021

I subscribed to your channel. Now you'll get at least one view and one like for every video you post! I pay for YouTube premium so I don't know how that works but maybe you'll get some money out of the deal!!

Jun 24, 2021 - 5:06:02 PM

3519 posts since 9/12/2016

thanks man ,Like I said I get a lot of views elsewhere but the camaraderie here is what I enjoy more , although with much fewer views.
but yes deep down we all want to go viral and be bits on some server --just as long as the folks in the catacombs have hung around ha ha

Jun 25, 2021 - 3:08 AM



9681 posts since 7/1/2006

What YellowSky says is mostly correct. YouTube subscribers are not notified unless they choose to be (it's not automatic); after they subscribe then must then hit the notify bell or they don't get notices of new uploads.

On BHO, there are several ways and pages from which videos can be viewed, and BHO counting is very inconsistent, counting views from some pages and not counting from others, so I would not rely on that.

Regarding YouTube monetization, about 2-3 years ago YouTube stopped monetizing any channel which has less than 1000 subscribers and less than 4000 hours of annual viewtime. During that time no ads would appear on any channel that didn't meet those criteria. I guess YT started looking at the numbers and realized they were leaving all that pile of money sitting there, so 6 months ago started running ads again on ALL channels no matter if it meets those criteria or not. Since then a gazillion ads now run over my videos and I don't see one cent 100% goes to YouTube and I have zero control over it. (Not until I meet 1000 subscribers and 4000 hours of views. When that happens then I can share in what YT is collecting and also have some control over what ads do or do not run on my channel.) Multiply this by hundreds of thousands of channels and millions of videos that YT now sells ads for, but doesn't share with content creators, it's a huge windfall of free money for YT on the backs of the small time guys like you and me.

I would not pay much attention to BHO views as far as any accurate measure of engagement. You should always go with YT analytics, it's far more accurate and gives in-depth tools to dig around and see what's up (although it's a million miles away from being intuitive at all). The data is accurate after a few days, immediate realtime results are subject to change as permanent stats are filtered and racked up.


Regarding the "View on YouTube" button, that has always been there and a feature of embedded YT videos -- however -- on BHO, if the video title is too long, it pushes the title to an extra line which then pushes the video down in the container frame on BHO, so it pushed that button out of view, out of frame. I learned a while back to edit my YT titles on BHO after importing them, to keep them brief, to avoid that problem.

Edited by - banjoy on 06/25/2021 03:20:53

Jun 25, 2021 - 3:44:27 AM



9681 posts since 7/1/2006

I can easily prove how inconsistent BHO video counts are.

YouTube does not count ANY view from anywhere on the internet where the video is embedded ... if the video is set to autoplay ... meaning that as soon as the video loads it plays without you having to hit any play button. In other words, it will exclude passive plays like that. BHO also excludes counts of autoplays like that and it's easy to demonstrate.

When you upload a video to BHO, you will notice that on the video page and New Additions page, you will see the video play icon, that red arrow which show up on top of a video. You have to hit that play button, then the video plays and that is counted by YouTube AND by BHO.

HOWEVER -- when you create a discussion thread, and place a video there you uploaded to BHO, those views are NOT counted by YouTube OR by BHO. This has been a problem for years.

The reason is the image you see of the video in the thread, is just a display that Eric created for those threads. The video is not actually loaded until you click the image of the video or its link, then you'll observe that a frame appears for the video and it video plays -- automatically. Eric to this day does not understand this ain't the way you implement embeds and have them counted by YouTube. Also, it skates by BHO's counter too.

You can do this yourself. Go to this thread I started today and used the "add video" feature to include a video in the thread. You'll see that when you click on the image for the video it opens a frame and plays automatically in that frame. So any views from that frame are not counted or included by BHO or YouTube. You can try it yourself. Reload over and over, hit play as many times as you like, and BHO's counter does not budge.

Now go to this page and you'll see YouTube's red play icon. THIS view will be counted both by YouTube and BHO. Every time you reload this page and hit the play button, you'll see BHO's counter click by one (YouTube will filter multiple views and will count all your reloads as only one view).

I brought this problem up before years ago and Eric ignored me. His implementation of videos in threads looks great, but is useless for counts and measures of engagement because it's inconsistent, it all depends on where your video is clicked whether it's counted or not.

Edited by - banjoy on 06/25/2021 03:54:09

Jun 25, 2021 - 5:05:36 AM

3519 posts since 9/12/2016

I quit putting them in sound off sometime ago,because the views were lost as stated

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