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May 16, 2021 - 5:48:35 PM

kg4muc

USA

19 posts since 3/11/2006

I have been reading up on the earlier thread on these rings banjohangout.org/archive/167975
I have a 97 model that is all original and not an impressive banjo at all and really never has been. Are we relatively sure that all of the Crowe signed models had the special Sullivan/Crowe-designed rings?

I know I have never had it completely down yet to see if there are any marking to identify the ring but I can't see anything visible on any exposed parts of the ring.
I know these can be a pretty tough banjo but mine seems to lack everything that would make anyone compliment on it :) It's been through a few different setups since I've had it and have found it to be really temperamental where bridges are concerned. I've got one of Snuffy's Style 3's on it currently and that has delivered the best punch for the buck I think. Didn't think to weigh it first and see where it stands there.

Just wondering about this. I would think Jd wouldn't be too pleased to know some of them came out with something different tone ring-wise since they went to extra pains in an attempt to duplicate the characteristics of his vintage ring.

Thanks for any ideas here!

May 16, 2021 - 6:28:15 PM

2539 posts since 12/31/2005

I think in that thread you mentioned, at least one person claimed that the mystery ring appeared in a 75 or Blackjack. Seems that it was more common that the Crowe ring appeared in other models, including Granadas and ES.

Sounds like it would be worth a trip to see Mr. Cushman.

May 16, 2021 - 6:32:13 PM

kg4muc

USA

19 posts since 3/11/2006

I agree with you 100%! Even if it really is a total POS he can make it sound right. The wife and a couple of others say my ears have been damaged by too many air tools and that they think it sounds fine but to me, it doesn't but then again it takes a lot to make us pickers happy LOL.

Thanks for the information !

W

May 17, 2021 - 3:48:40 AM

4625 posts since 11/20/2004

Ring should be removed to check the fit. Tight/poor fitting rings can make a banjo temperamental in my experience. Any marking and a serial number should be on the bottom of the inside foot edge of the ring. A full setup should include this as well as checking neck fit.

May 17, 2021 - 4:11:30 AM

Foote

USA

488 posts since 3/25/2009

I was going to make setup suggestions, including drum dial experiences with dead banjos, but then I Googled how far you are to Charlie Cushman's shop (5 hrs), I'd do that. The best.

May 17, 2021 - 10:09:19 AM

kg4muc

USA

19 posts since 3/11/2006

Yeah, I'm not terribly far from Charlies' location. The mountain roads add the most of the time on this end LOL. Speaking of drum dial experiences I have often wondered about torque readings using an inch-pound torque wrench. I know this is way out there in a sense but being I have never tried the method I never condemned it completely either.

Thanks for the help!

May 17, 2021 - 1:00:32 PM

kg4muc

USA

19 posts since 3/11/2006

quote:
Originally posted by lightgauge

Ring should be removed to check the fit. Tight/poor fitting rings can make a banjo temperamental in my experience. Any marking and a serial number should be on the bottom of the inside foot edge of the ring. A full setup should include this as well as checking neck fit.


After talking with Eric in-depth this morning and after considerable thought about things it might be or might not be I agree with your recommendations totally. I haven't verified it yet but I suspect the ring is not exactly true as I have adjusted the coordinator rods before to lower a high action. That in itself could be the problem or maybe affecting the neck fit in some way.  Looks like a teardown is in this pup's future :)   Thanks for your ideas!

May 17, 2021 - 4:39:45 PM

4625 posts since 11/20/2004

Eric is a truly valuable resource. Best of luck!

May 17, 2021 - 7:34:35 PM

kg4muc

USA

19 posts since 3/11/2006

Thank You. I will hopefully have a good end result

May 18, 2021 - 12:44:51 PM

2706 posts since 4/16/2003

A 1997 RB-75 should have the Gibson Crowe ring in it, unless it's been changed out for something else.

It can be identified by removing it from the rim. There will be a "Gibson" logo and a serial number stamped on the underside (that part which contacts the inner edge of the rim).

Also, the Crowe ring weighs a little less than a "regular weight" Gibson ring.
About 47oz. (vis-a-vis a Gibson Kulesh ring, which weights about 52oz.

As such, the RB-75 has noticeably less "heft" than other Gibsons.

See here:
 http://www.banjowizard.com/belltest.htm
and here:
 http://www.banjowizard.com/jdcrowe.htm

My RB-75 is a fine-sounding banjo, with a remarkable "even-ness" across the strings and up the neck.

May 18, 2021 - 1:46:38 PM

kg4muc

USA

19 posts since 3/11/2006

Thank You for the good information. I bought this banjo new, well actually my wife bought it for me right after we were married and I haven't changed anything except strings and a 5-gallon bucket full of bridges I've tried on it. I am going to attempt to locate some measuring equipment to have on hand when I tear it down to verify the rim is not warped causing an ill fit of the ring. I had forgotten but I had an emergency repair made when the lower lag screw pulled out of the neck wood. It was hurriedly glued back in place by an older gentleman who had been doing woodworking most of his life. It was a hurried repair due to the fact I had a show in about 3 hours of the time of the fix and didn't have a backup ready. There is a good chance there may be some glue residue left on the heel of the next where it mates with the rim due to the hurry-up nature of the repair. Thanks again for the informative links!

W

May 21, 2021 - 10:18:59 AM

FXHERE

USA

1821 posts since 9/6/2003

Erick has posted on here several times that the 75-Crowe ring is the same ring that they sell for $199.00. I don`t care for the Mystery Ring at all.

May 21, 2021 - 6:59:06 PM

kg4muc

USA

19 posts since 3/11/2006

This one worked fine until recently. Its probably like a weak transmitter tube been going downhill for a while and with all this COVID crap going on I didn't notice it.

I had some trouble with the neck and had to make an emergency repair and that is where I think the root of this problem is located. At least I hope it's elsewhere. I'll get into it in a few days and have a look see.

May 22, 2021 - 6:38:46 AM

938 posts since 6/6/2008

quote:
Originally posted by kg4muc

I have been reading up on the earlier thread on these rings banjohangout.org/archive/167975
I have a 97 model that is all original and not an impressive banjo at all and really never has been. Are we relatively sure that all of the Crowe signed models had the special Sullivan/Crowe-designed rings?

I know I have never had it completely down yet to see if there are any marking to identify the ring but I can't see anything visible on any exposed parts of the ring.
I know these can be a pretty tough banjo but mine seems to lack everything that would make anyone compliment on it :) It's been through a few different setups since I've had it and have found it to be really temperamental where bridges are concerned. I've got one of Snuffy's Style 3's on it currently and that has delivered the best punch for the buck I think. Didn't think to weigh it first and see where it stands there.

Just wondering about this. I would think Jd wouldn't be too pleased to know some of them came out with something different tone ring-wise since they went to extra pains in an attempt to duplicate the characteristics of his vintage ring.

Thanks for any ideas here!


 I fully agree, Take it to Charlie Cushman.  If you tell him to do whatever you gotta do to get the most and best sound out of this banjo, he will do everything possible.  He ain't cheap but it's a whole heck of a lot cheaper than a new banjo and if you don't let him try, you'll never know if you got a potentially great banjo or just a dud.  He can literally transformed the sound of a banjo. (He did mine!). When he told me it was ready, I went to pick it up and he handed it to me to play. I said I'd rather listen to it and asked if he wouldn't mind playing it so I could listen.  When he started playing, I was astounded  - To the point I even looked to see if it was actually my banjo he was playing.    At the very least call and talk to him about it.   He's honest and a straight shooter which I greatly appreciate. You won't regret it.   Tell him Steve Parker referred you.  

Edited by - o2playlikeEarl on 05/22/2021 06:54:28

May 24, 2021 - 6:36:47 PM

kg4muc

USA

19 posts since 3/11/2006

Thanks! Will do

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