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Apr 14, 2021 - 6:40:32 AM
188 posts since 11/25/2005

This is not a religious post nor is is meant to argue about religion at all, I simply want to connect with other bluegrasser's who do not participate in the religious or gospel aspects of bluegrass music. I am not talking about the songs so much,  it's simply a  call to fellow atheist / agnostic bluegrassers. If you are out there, please let me know. Perhaps we can meet up elsewhere or share other social media contact info.

Edited by - arby3969 on 04/14/2021 09:10:15

Apr 14, 2021 - 7:20:33 AM
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RioStat

USA

5465 posts since 10/12/2009

quote:
Originally posted by arby3969

This is not a religious post nor is is meant to argue about religion at all, I simply want to connect with other bluegrasser's to do not participate in the religious or gospel aspects of bluegrass music. If you are out there, please let me know. Perhaps we can meet up elsewhere or share other social media contact info.


......it's also illegible......

Apr 14, 2021 - 7:56:59 AM
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57150 posts since 12/14/2005

This is not a religious reply.

One may sing the lyrics of a religiously-themed song, without embracing the religion, much the same way one may sing

"I'm a little teapot, short and stout",

while not actually being a teapot.
And one may sing

"I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die",

without being a psychopathic murderer.

I wrote a song about being a sailor's widow, without EVER having dated or married or mourned a sailor.

 

Don't worry about it.


Apr 14, 2021 - 8:00:31 AM

188 posts since 11/25/2005

Well, that is not for you to decide for me, now is it? I simply don't understand the problem with asking my that question in general. Is my question somehow a threat to you?

Apr 14, 2021 - 8:04:55 AM
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57150 posts since 12/14/2005

Not a threat to me.
"Don't worry about it" is advice, not a command.
If you prefer to worry about it, worry away.
(Friend request sent)

Apr 14, 2021 - 8:10:57 AM
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Owen

Canada

8379 posts since 6/5/2011

If think many BG gospel (?) tunes are kinda "catchy"  [eg. Will The Circle ....  /  The Old Crossroad /  I Saw The Light / Etc.]  and some other songs maybe have only a few word or one line that to me is a bit over the top [eg. May You never Be Alone Like Me /  Keep on the Sunny Side /  Etc.]. 

I might sing them, just not out loud, until I've come up with words/lines that better reflect my outlook.  Otoh, I dunno whether I'm less proficient at singing (?) or rolling-over-chords accompaniment, so I guess it's a moot point.   And as always.... to each his/her own.  yes

Edit: I don't think many would mistake me for either a "religious" person or a "bluegrasser"  .... so what the heck am I doing posting here?  wink

Edited by - Owen on 04/14/2021 08:18:46

Apr 14, 2021 - 8:15:09 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

25829 posts since 8/3/2003

Let's not get snarky with our posts, please. Keep it civil.

I doubt anyone thinks your question is a threat to them or to you. It's just they want to know why it's even necessary to ask whether someone is or isn't into gospel/religious songs.

Just because someone plays gospel/religious music shouldn't make it impossible for them to join others who don't want to play that kind of music.

Apr 14, 2021 - 8:17:45 AM

188 posts since 11/25/2005

It's not that I worry per se, it's just that in my experience, the bluegrass community has been overtly religious. Nothing wrong with that if that is what a person is in to and I also understand that religion is at the core of a lot of the music. But then again, so is drinking and killing women. It's an interesting dichotomy to be sure. I just know that there have to be others out there like me, who want to celebrate bluegrass without all of the religious baggage. I have not had much luck yet because I cannot even bring it up without being flamed or shut down completely. My aim is not to bash religion, but simply not to include it in any of my bluegrass experiences and I would like to find others who have the same point of view. That is all I am asking.

Apr 14, 2021 - 8:29:59 AM
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2099 posts since 2/12/2009

When I sing "I saw the light" I dont mean a word of it, I am just enjoying a fine old Hank senior song, same with "the circle" just do it and stop analysing it !

Apr 14, 2021 - 8:33:28 AM
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188 posts since 11/25/2005

It's not the songs so much that I am referring to, it's the people. I am looking for a community of atheist / agnostic bluegrassers. Maybe that's not even a thing....I don't know.

Apr 14, 2021 - 8:49:59 AM
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I just don't talk about religion or politics with the people I play music with (or interact with generally), unless I'm like 99.99% the people agree with me. It's just never come up, and I play loads of gospel songs.

Apr 14, 2021 - 8:59:15 AM
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DC5

USA

18430 posts since 6/30/2015

quote:
Originally posted by arby3969

It's not the songs so much that I am referring to, it's the people. I am looking for a community of atheist / agnostic bluegrassers. Maybe that's not even a thing....I don't know.


This was not clear in your OP, which is what Mike was commenting on.  I, in fact, thought you were looking for just the opposite when I read your first post.

I don't play bluegrass, or I would join your group.

Apr 14, 2021 - 9:17:51 AM
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1134 posts since 12/2/2013

Faith and music of (various) faiths are two very distinct and different things. I love religious music (Bach cantatas, Art of the Fugue, funeral masses by a number of composer, etc.) but having been molested by a priest when I was a kid it should be no surprise to anyone that I hate/despise organized religion and those people for whom such professions of faith is just so much  BS.

Edited by - flyingsquirrelinlay on 04/14/2021 09:19:32

Apr 14, 2021 - 9:23:42 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by spoonfed

When I sing "I saw the light" I dont mean a word of it, I am just enjoying a fine old Hank senior song, same with "the circle" just do it and stop analysing it !


when my family see me pick up my banjo or hear me playing (beginner) they do say 'Oh Jesus' quite often

Edited by - Wet Spaniel on 04/14/2021 09:24:11

Apr 14, 2021 - 9:28:52 AM

188 posts since 11/25/2005

quote:
Originally posted by flyingsquirrelinlay

Faith and music of (various) faiths are two very distinct and different things. I love religious music (Bach cantatas, Art of the Fugue, funeral masses by a number of composer, etc.) but having been molested by a priest when I was a kid it should be no surprise to anyone that I hate/despise organized religion and those people for whom such professions of faith is just so much  BS.


I am very sorry to hear this happened to you. 

Apr 14, 2021 - 9:59:56 AM
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Buddur

USA

2931 posts since 10/23/2004

I don't think all or even most that play bluegrass are very religious folk.

Very many people do their best to not bring up topics such as politics and religion because others can be very pig-headed in what they believe in and can easily lead to an argument if your point of view is not aligned with theirs.

So why bring it up unless you want to be with others with similar views to discuss what? (implying discussing your atheist/agnostic views).

Just trying to understand your need for this. Regardless, I hope you find what you're looking for.

Apr 14, 2021 - 10:21:53 AM
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Paul R

Canada

14317 posts since 1/28/2010

There is a woman who came to the local Bluegrass jam who would heartily sing gospel songs. She is an atheist. She separated the musical and community experience from the actual content of the songs.

But, if it's a particular community you're looking for, that's fine. Just don't expect the same size gathering.

I think, in places such as here, there would not be attempted proselytizing by the players. They would leave people to their own beliefs. I can't speak to the situation where you are.

Good luck in your quest.

Apr 14, 2021 - 10:47 AM
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188 posts since 11/25/2005

Out of curiosity, how did you know she was an atheist?

Apr 14, 2021 - 11:41:33 AM
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518 posts since 10/4/2018

Additionally, I would like to find a group that also excludes Ultra Right, Ultra Left, Conspiracy Theorists, Flat-Earthers, Anti-Vaxers, Alien Abductees, etc...although I would like to hear songs from these groups.

Apr 14, 2021 - 11:55:12 AM
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DRH

USA

614 posts since 5/29/2018

quote:
Originally posted by Paul R


I think, in places such as here, there would not be attempted proselytizing by the players. They would leave people to their own beliefs. I can't speak to the situation where you are.
 


I think Keith is trying to address the problem you've suggested without causing offense or thread lock.  My wife (Asian) has been the target of this kind of proselytizing.  It can be quite aggressive, coordinated, and pre-planned.  Jennie was attacked at one supposed Tupperware party. It was a setup - no Tupperware, just eight women she thought were her friends.  They didn't let up until she passed out.  They called me to come pick her up off the floor and take her home.

To this day we both avoid parties and events with people we don't know well.  We both love ol' timey gospel and I still sing and play it.  But we both know what it's like to be tricked into an "intervention."  And one doesn't need to be an athiest, agnostic, or have almond eyes to be a target.

In the fair and balanced department, I have seen athiests gang up on individuals with the same vitriol.  Is it any wonder that discussions of a religious nature get locked?

Apr 14, 2021 - 11:58:59 AM
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banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

10931 posts since 2/22/2007

--" They didn't let up until she passed out. They called me to come pick her up off the floor and take her home.---"
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Just what the hell were they doing to her that she passed out on the floor? She was not allowed to walk out? That sounds more like a cult!

Apr 14, 2021 - 12:03:35 PM
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188 posts since 11/25/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Good Buddy

Additionally, I would like to find a group that also excludes Ultra Right, Ultra Left, Conspiracy Theorists, Flat-Earthers, Anti-Vaxers, Alien Abductees, etc...although I would like to hear songs from these groups.


It's not about excluding...it's more about avoidance. 

Apr 14, 2021 - 12:05:18 PM
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10048 posts since 8/22/2006

Sounds like an attempted exorcism. Kinda creepy right?

Apr 14, 2021 - 12:08:47 PM

1635 posts since 2/4/2013

quote:
Originally posted by Paul R

She is an atheist. She separated the musical and community experience from the actual content of the songs.


This reminds me of a quote concerning the soundtrack to the play The Mysteries by folk rock band The Home Service. It says this is not a religous album these are the songs of the people. I would never shy away from such beautiful and wonderful songs just because I'm an atheist.

Apr 14, 2021 - 12:09:37 PM

518 posts since 10/4/2018

quote:
Originally posted by arby3969
quote:
Originally posted by Good Buddy

Additionally, I would like to find a group that also excludes Ultra Right, Ultra Left, Conspiracy Theorists, Flat-Earthers, Anti-Vaxers, Alien Abductees, etc...although I would like to hear songs from these groups.


It's not about excluding...it's more about avoidance. 


Potato

Apr 14, 2021 - 12:12:37 PM

188 posts since 11/25/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Good Buddy
quote:
Originally posted by arby3969
quote:
Originally posted by Good Buddy

Additionally, I would like to find a group that also excludes Ultra Right, Ultra Left, Conspiracy Theorists, Flat-Earthers, Anti-Vaxers, Alien Abductees, etc...although I would like to hear songs from these groups.


It's not about excluding...it's more about avoidance. 


Potato


Whatever, dude. 

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