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Mar 3, 2021 - 4:05:29 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

24584 posts since 6/25/2005

That would be Sally Goodin (or however you spell it. It’s present throughout the country in regional and homogenized variations, from old-time to bluegrass to contest fiddling and in solo and band versions, performed on whatever instrument(s). To me the classic ersions are the solo ones and those with just banjo. Since this is a banjo site I’ll post a link to one of my favorites with just fiddle and banjo: MIke Barnett and Russ Carson’s;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnsB1dHKXS8

Post a link to your favorite version.

Edited by - Bill Rogers on 03/03/2021 16:06:56

Mar 3, 2021 - 4:11:17 PM

1127 posts since 12/2/2013

Turkey in the Straw or Sailor's Hornpipe.

Edited by - flyingsquirrelinlay on 03/03/2021 16:12:06

Mar 3, 2021 - 4:14:24 PM
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RB3

USA

950 posts since 4/12/2004

J.D. Crowe And The New South - Rounder 44.  The timing is incredible!

Sally Goodin

Mar 3, 2021 - 4:19:46 PM
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Eric A

USA

1113 posts since 10/15/2019

quote:
Originally posted by RB3

J.D. Crowe And The New South - Rounder 44.  The timing is incredible!

Sally Goodin


Oh, man, you beat me to it. I had the link all ready to go!

I'll put up my 2nd favorite, solely on the back of Byron Berline's amazing fiddle.

Sally Goodin-Bill Monroe

Mar 3, 2021 - 4:23:48 PM

chuckv97

Canada

56528 posts since 10/5/2013

quote:
Originally posted by RB3

J.D. Crowe And The New South - Rounder 44.  The timing is incredible!

Sally Goodin


Here's JD's comment on that recording of it... from the AcuTab transcriptions vol. 1 


 

Mar 3, 2021 - 9:19:47 PM
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Mar 3, 2021 - 9:24:47 PM

chuckv97

Canada

56528 posts since 10/5/2013

Alan Munde,, with Robert Bowlin on fiddle
youtu.be/dcsMDFDbSo8


 

Edited by - chuckv97 on 03/03/2021 21:25:10

Mar 4, 2021 - 4:34:39 AM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

24584 posts since 6/25/2005

Robertson’s of course, is probably the most influential fiddle recording ever.

Mar 4, 2021 - 5:30:38 AM

6593 posts since 9/5/2006

well if you ask people most are going to say "do you know orange blossom special" ?

but the new souths recording of sally goodin is maybe the best there is !!!

Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 03/04/2021 05:32:01

Mar 4, 2021 - 5:58:06 PM

2681 posts since 4/16/2003

Jerusalem Ridge, played by Kenny Baker.
Yes, I realize it's not public domain or "traditional" in the "many years old" sense.

Mar 4, 2021 - 6:08:42 PM
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KCJones

USA

1444 posts since 8/30/2012

I like Russ Carson playing it, but I like this version a lot better. On the tour buss. Mike Barnett on fiddle again, but the whole band is there:

youtube.com/watch?v=53l5eW2fy_k

When they drop into the tune with the entire band. WOW! Also as a bonus it's a headcam video so it's basically a clinic on how to play the song on the 5 string.

I do think Turkey in the Straw is probably more iconic.

Edited by - KCJones on 03/04/2021 18:13:25

Mar 4, 2021 - 11:20:09 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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24584 posts since 6/25/2005

My post asked for as most of you noted, your favorite version of Sally Goodin. I wasn’t intending a discussion of the most iconic fiddle tune.

Mar 4, 2021 - 11:28:36 PM
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janolov

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I think John Henry should have the same status as Sally Goodwin. It is played in Old-Time, Bluegrass and other folk music (for example Pete Seeger recorded John Henry, but not Sally Goodwin (as far as I can remember).

Mar 5, 2021 - 5:15:24 AM

6593 posts since 9/5/2006

OBS is played in more fiddle competitions then any other fiddle tune i know of

Mar 5, 2021 - 5:27:50 AM

KCJones

USA

1444 posts since 8/30/2012

I already posted the best version of Sally Goodin there is so nobody else needs to bother! HAHA

Mar 5, 2021 - 10:13:06 AM

2619 posts since 2/10/2013

I think experienced fiddlers thoughts on "Sally Goodin" are similar to those of experienced banjo players feelings about "Foggy Mtn Breakdown". Non musicians don't know that many tunes played on instruments and keep requesting these same few tunes.

Fiddling favorites vary from region to region and style to style. The most commonly played tune I have heard was old "Soldiers Joy". I have heard some really fine fiddlers turn this relatively simple tune into sophisticated showcase level tune. No tune is good or bad. It depends on what the musician does with the tune.

I some instances a band seems more determined to display their musical talents than they do entertain the listeners. The tune seems to go on, and on, and on. Enjoyment comes when they finally have mercy and stop playing.

Mar 5, 2021 - 1:32:52 PM

1679 posts since 7/4/2009

quote:
Originally posted by janolov

I think John Henry should have the same status as Sally Goodwin. It is played in Old-Time, Bluegrass and other folk music (for example Pete Seeger recorded John Henry, but not Sally Goodwin (as far as I can remember).


John Henry is a ballad, though, not a fiddle tune.

I was almost certain that Pete Seeger had recorded Sally Goodin on one of his American Favorite Ballads albums (the title is a misnomer), but it's not on there. Sally Ann is, though. I'd still be very surprised if Pete didn't record Sally Goodin somewhere, on either a studio album or concert recording.

I like Woody Guthrie's version, too, even though Woody was - charitably - only fair at fiddling.

Edited by - UncleClawhammer on 03/05/2021 13:35:27

Mar 5, 2021 - 11:17:04 PM
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janolov

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quote:
Originally posted by UncleClawhammer
quote:
Originally posted by janolov

I think John Henry should have the same status as Sally Goodwin. It is played in Old-Time, Bluegrass and other folk music (for example Pete Seeger recorded John Henry, but not Sally Goodwin (as far as I can remember).


John Henry is a ballad, though, not a fiddle tune.

I was almost certain that Pete Seeger had recorded Sally Goodin on one of his American Favorite Ballads albums (the title is a misnomer), but it's not on there. Sally Ann is, though. I'd still be very surprised if Pete didn't record Sally Goodin somewhere, on either a studio album or concert recording.

I like Woody Guthrie's version, too, even though Woody was - charitably - only fair at fiddling.


Regarding John Henry as a fiddle tune, read Traditional Tune Archive: "JOHN HENRY [1]. American, Reel (cut time). USA; western North Carolina & Virginia. A Mixolydian. AEae tuning (Tommy Jarrell) or Standard (Van Kidwell) {fiddle}. AABB. The tune, based on the folksong "John Henry", is widespread throughout the upland south region, but has been particularly popular with Galax, Virginia/Mt. Airy, N.C., musicians (so much so, that it is thought of as a 'regional tune'). The melody has been rendered in numerous variations, some more blues tinged or modal that others, with various tempos. Fiddle tunes also vary. Tennessee fiddler Joe Birchfield play it in standard fiddle tuning, down a step (FCgd), Tommy Jarrell and James Carse (Ky.) played it in AEae, while African-American fiddler Joe Thompson played a "John Henry" in GDgd tuning, similar to Kyle Creed and Fred Cockerham's version. North Georia fiddler Earl Johnson recorded an irregular version of the tune under the title "John Henry Blues."

Also, American Fiddle Tunes by Clare Milliner and Walt Koken contains three versions of John Henry.

Mar 6, 2021 - 1:24:24 AM

3089 posts since 10/17/2009

quote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11

OBS is played in more fiddle competitions then any other fiddle tune i know of


Probably not that much. OBS is typically disqualified in fiddle contests.

Mar 6, 2021 - 7:24:34 AM

6593 posts since 9/5/2006

quote:
Originally posted by banjoak
quote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11

OBS is played in more fiddle competitions then any other fiddle tune i know of


Probably not that much. OBS is typically disqualified in fiddle contests.


no where in the rules of competition for galax or mt airy fiddlers convention does it say orange blossom special is a disqualification ,, after attending and competing in many of these down through the years i have heard OBS played many times in competition.   

i realize that there are (SOME) contest that forbid OBS but not in the 2 mentioned here.

i read through the rules and qualifications of the national fiddle contest in idaho and no where was mentioned that OBS was not allowed,,   3 tunes as described ..waltz,,hoedown and song of choice

in old time fiddle around the round peak area (mt airy included) ,, SALLY ANN is considered the theme song

Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 03/06/2021 07:37:52

Mar 6, 2021 - 8:00:02 AM
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Owen

Canada

8238 posts since 6/5/2011

quote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11

well if you ask people most are going to say "do you know orange blossom special" ?

but the new souths recording of sally goodin is maybe the best there is !!!


Tongue-in-cheek, I thought "Johnny" was the best there's ever been:

 

Mar 6, 2021 - 4:40:46 PM
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Eric A

USA

1113 posts since 10/15/2019

Here is an old BHO TOTW thread on Sally Goodin, complete with history and many, many links.
 

https://www.banjohangout.org/archive/277953

Mar 7, 2021 - 7:33:54 AM

6593 posts since 9/5/2006

eck robertson was first one to had recorded this version of sallie gooden in 1922

youtube.com/watch?v=O8VMLrWGP-M

Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 03/07/2021 07:34:48

Mar 7, 2021 - 7:52:26 AM
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I already posted it, if you care to read the thread. The first and still the best. My favorite Bill Monroe recording (from a live concert) of the tune was essentially a copy of Robertson's arrangement. I particularly like when he takes it to the minor.

Mar 7, 2021 - 8:09:56 AM

56988 posts since 12/14/2005

Anybody got a link to an UNACCOMPANIED fiddle version of Sally Goodin?
I couldn't find one; would like to hear it plain and simple.

Mar 7, 2021 - 8:16:40 AM
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Eric A

USA

1113 posts since 10/15/2019

quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory

Anybody got a link to an UNACCOMPANIED fiddle version of Sally Goodin?
I couldn't find one; would like to hear it plain and simple.


The Eck Robertson one is unaccompanied, but it is anything but plain and simple!

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