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Feb 27, 2021 - 7:57:17 PM
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Owen

Canada

8238 posts since 6/5/2011

Once again us poor guys in the middle of nowhere have to rely on BC for "news." crying

 https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/02/25/kamloops-school-dress-code-changing-controversy/

https://infotel.ca/newsitem/kamloops-student-embroiled-in-dress-code-dispute-gains-national-attention/it81201

I'm most definitely not up on current fashion, or school standards for that matter; though it looks like an undergarment to me, I dunno whether it was originally handled in the best way.   Anybody else have any thoughts/opinions/insights?

Edited by - Owen on 02/27/2021 20:09:13

Feb 27, 2021 - 8:10:10 PM

chuckv97

Canada

56528 posts since 10/5/2013

Ahh,, another cry-baby thing. Just go ta skool and be normal, fer cryin’ out loud.

(but I have to ask, Owen, why aren't you watching your transplanted Atlanta Thrashers attempting to lay a thrashing on Les Habitants?  And I suppose those blaring electric guitars are screeching in the background emanating from Holger's acoustic-challenged radio show.)

Edited by - chuckv97 on 02/27/2021 20:23:40

Feb 27, 2021 - 8:52:54 PM
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Owen

Canada

8238 posts since 6/5/2011

I'm multi-tasking  cheeky   ..... SNB on the headphones, back-and-forth between hockey [1-1 after 2, but Habs are outshooting 'em] and  the Scotties on TV, plus periodically checking in here.   I notice my post total has reached 4 sevens, and yours will soon be 5 fives..... must have some connection to tonight's full-moon  [very nice here a few hours ago but since totally obscured by clouds].

Re. school dress codes I don't recall ever having been in a school  .... a dozen years as a student, 18ish as a parent and 20ish as a teacher where the issue ever arose.

Edited by - Owen on 02/27/2021 20:55:25

Feb 27, 2021 - 9:00:27 PM

chuckv97

Canada

56528 posts since 10/5/2013

I had a guitar playing friend in high school who worked on a farm on weekends and summers. He also had a heavy 5 o’clock shadow, along with his preferred heavy denim work jeans and plaid shirt. The vice principal , “Spike” Jones, a jitttery, red-faced nervous fellah, would periodically stroll past Stan’s locker after classes and remark, "Lose your razor again, Stan?”.

p.s. hate to burst yer bubble but ....


 

Edited by - chuckv97 on 02/27/2021 21:04:58

Feb 27, 2021 - 9:46:55 PM

Owen

Canada

8238 posts since 6/5/2011

"Not so fast there Big Boy." [thanks Mr. E. Shack]..... I'm guessing the bubble you're referring to is the one down in the lower left corner: "Full Moon Feb.27."   Regardless , if you run it thru your "Newfie calculator," you'll see that your graphic shows 98.7% at  10:02.38 p.m..... which works out to 100% at precisely the "few hours ago" that I noted in my ^^ post.  wink

Rats!!   Habs outshoot them 41-19, but lose 2-1 in OT.   no

Feb 27, 2021 - 10:02:56 PM

chuckv97

Canada

56528 posts since 10/5/2013

It’s in waning gibbous phase ,, I missed the excitement,,3 more posts gets me 5 5’s (five fives). That might mean somethin* to the nutter fringe,,,or Alex Jones.

Feb 28, 2021 - 4:51:13 AM
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Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

25726 posts since 8/3/2003

Much ado about nothing..... view point from the female side of things.

The young lady is wearing a long sleeved, high necked blouse underneath the black dress which has lace at the bodice. I don't see why anyone would be "uncomfortable" seeing someone fully and modestly dressed.

Feb 28, 2021 - 5:05:08 AM
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2471 posts since 10/17/2013

That’s better than some things I’ve seen on the opposite gender. A modest girl will ultimately get more respect than one who is “out to party,” so to speak.

No actual immodesty about the way she is dressed. 

Feb 28, 2021 - 5:59:43 AM
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DC5

USA

18112 posts since 6/30/2015

quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

Ahh,, another cry-baby thing. Just go ta skool and be normal, fer cryin’ out loud.

(but I have to ask, Owen, why aren't you watching your transplanted Atlanta Thrashers attempting to lay a thrashing on Les Habitants?  And I suppose those blaring electric guitars are screeching in the background emanating from Holger's acoustic-challenged radio show.)


She did go to school to be normal.  It was a teacher who singled her out and humiliated her in front of her classmates.  There was nothing wrong with what she wore among her peers.  It was a teacher who felt uncomfortable, and that teacher made the student feel uncomfortable. 

Dress codes are always a challenge for school systems, and they are difficult to enforce.  If the girl did not have a turtleneck blouse under the dress I could see it being a problem, but she did.  And even if she was wearing something that violated the dress code, there are other ways to handle it more discretely than making the person uncomfortable in front of her classmates. 

We had a girl come to school one Halloween wearing a KKK hood and robes.  Fortunately, before the school day started the head of the cosmetology department saw her, took her into her classroom and explained why that outfit was not appropriate and offensive.  The girl, being a teenager, honestly did not realize how others in the school might feel, she thought it was a joke.  She apologized, took the costume off and all was well . . . until.  Other students took pictures of the outfit before the teacher intervened.  Those pictures went viral on social media and our school was plunged into national news. 

Feb 28, 2021 - 7:01:59 AM
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Owen

Canada

8238 posts since 6/5/2011

quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

<snip>  That might mean somethin* to the nutter fringe,,,or Alex Jones.


Alex Jones??   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(Welsh_presenter)

I'd at least listen to what she has to say..... 

   The One Show host Alex Jones: 'I was a terrible looking child, my younger  self would be chuffed with how I turned out' - Independent.ie

See what happens when I'm forced to consult the all-knowing Google??   yes

Feb 28, 2021 - 10:11:11 AM
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Paul R

Canada

14205 posts since 1/28/2010

It's an issue I didn't have to deal with as a teacher, except once, when the dress code forbade earrings on boys. Well, the principal dealt with it. But there was no outcry either way.

This one is a puzzler. Although the dress in question looks like a slip, the turtleneck screams "modesty". She's pretty well covered up - a rare welcome change these days. The result is the predictable national/international publicity and embarrassment for the school. Not the outcome the teachers intended.

My private high school had a dress code: jacket, tie, shoes that can be polished. One morning I couldn't find a clean white shirt. I had a red one with horizontal black pinstripes. I paired it with a Colonel Sanders style tie and headed off to school. Before noon a notice was sent to every class that regular ties and bow ties were the rule, and that "Kentucky colonel" ties were mot permitted. That made me a celebrity/rebel in my class for all of about five seconds. There was no social media back then. I coulda been a contender!

Feb 28, 2021 - 6:18:35 PM

Owen

Canada

8238 posts since 6/5/2011

Paul's ^^ post got me rethinking.   I suppose there were 2 incidents, although similarly, neither produced any hub-bub. 

In the first a gr. 9 (?) student wore a "makin' bacon" tee-shirt... before school got going in the a.m. the principal simply told him it was inappropriate and he'd have to go home and change; which he did. 

In the second, a [relatively well-endowed] TA at one of the fly-in schools wore a  tee-shirt with "What are you looking at?  My eyes aren't down here!" printed across the chest.   My wife and I commented to each other and to a trusted colleague/friend, but so far as we know the day passed without any official comment/action.

Edited by - Owen on 02/28/2021 18:20:45

Feb 28, 2021 - 6:33:10 PM
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KatB

USA

160 posts since 9/3/2018

My daughter is 17. She mostly wears jeans and hoodies, but she shows me fashion she likes on instagram. It goes like this:

Daughter: Look at this top, when we go back to school I'm wearing stuff like this
Me: Fine, but that's a bustier not a top, you have to wear a shirt over it.

Daughter: ooh, look at this prom dress!
Me: Nice, but that's not a dress it's a nightgown
Daughter: What's a nightgown?

Most of what she likes is not actually that revealing. It just challenges decades-old norms. We oldsters draw a line between lingerie and outerwear. This generation doesn't.  A slip dress with a turtle neck under it is NOT revealing in the slightest. It does makes people uncomfortable. I think it looks weird. Guess what, we're old, they are young.  This story's been told before, basically every generation.

Edited by - KatB on 02/28/2021 18:58:10

Feb 28, 2021 - 6:34:24 PM

Owen

Canada

8238 posts since 6/5/2011

Oooops....edited out a double post..... I offer up a Canadian "Sorry."  wink

Edited by - Owen on 02/28/2021 18:35:39

Feb 28, 2021 - 6:44:38 PM
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bubbalouie

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I think it was the lace that drove those pearl clutchers over the edge! 

Feb 28, 2021 - 6:51:59 PM

bubbalouie

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quote:
Originally posted by KatB

My daughter is 17. She mostly wears jeans and hoodies, but she shows me fashion she likes on instagram. It goes like this:

Daughter: Look at this top, when we go back to school I'm wearing stuff like this
Me: Fine, but that's a bustier not a top, you have to wear a shirt over it.

Daughter: ooh, look at this prom dress!
Me: Nice, but that's not a dress it's a nightgown
Daughter: What's a nightgown?


I remember Dan Aykroyd in a movie telling his daughter. "Your bra goes on the INSIDE of your clothes!

Feb 28, 2021 - 7:34:02 PM
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2186 posts since 3/29/2008

Well... I mean, objectively speaking, it’s not revealing... because there’s a long sleeved white turtleneck underneath it.

I suspect what they’re really saying is that the laciness of the black bit made them imagine her without the white bit. But that’s their problem, not hers in my opinion.

It’s actually quite nice to see some good old-fashioned offence being taken by conservatives for a change... seems everything I read now is about the woke people getting offended and cancelling stuff.

Edited by - Edthebanjo on 02/28/2021 19:34:54

Feb 28, 2021 - 9:11:26 PM
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56988 posts since 12/14/2005

quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

I had a guitar playing friend in high school who worked on a farm on weekends and summers. He also had a heavy 5 o’clock shadow, along with his preferred heavy denim work jeans and plaid shirt. The vice principal , “Spike” Jones, a jitttery, red-faced nervous fellah, would periodically stroll past Stan’s locker after classes and remark,

"Lose your razor again, Stan?”.

 


Reminds me of the biology teacher/basketball coach, 1962 or so, who asked one of my classmates

"Did you SHAVE this morning?"

Kid said he did.

Coach said

"Well, tomorrow, stand a little closer to the razor!"

Mar 1, 2021 - 12:48:12 AM

Paul R

Canada

14205 posts since 1/28/2010

quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo


It’s actually quite nice to see some good old-fashioned offence being taken by conservatives for a change... seems everything I read now is about the woke people getting offended and cancelling stuff.


Cancelling happens across the spectrum. It's not exclusive to any one group.

Mar 1, 2021 - 2:16:06 AM

3089 posts since 10/17/2009

While it looks odd, out of place... some controversy sometimes seems more about the imagination or representative association than reality.

Comparing this to many sport or bikini tops might see in public, with far less material than what a lot of bras are... 

Similarly, some of the men's athletic shorts or swim wear (esp in the 70's) compared to...


well, these are underwear.

Mar 1, 2021 - 2:40:17 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo

Well... I mean, objectively speaking, it’s not revealing... because there’s a long sleeved white turtleneck underneath it.

I suspect what they’re really saying is that the laciness of the black bit made them imagine her without the white bit. But that’s their problem, not hers in my opinion.

It’s actually quite nice to see some good old-fashioned offence being taken by conservatives for a change... seems everything I read now is about the woke people getting offended and cancelling stuff.


Pity we don't have fractional 'likes'. First bit - Totally agree. Second bit - What planet are you living on ? If 'everything I read now is about the woke people getting offended and cancelling stuff' then I'd guess that your reading doesn't stray very far beyond the Daily Mail. 

Mar 1, 2021 - 3:19:01 AM

3964 posts since 12/6/2009

I'd go to school to learn what I pay for.....and it wouldn't be judging fashion shows......kids are always dressing funny or odd...

Mar 1, 2021 - 3:47:09 AM

2186 posts since 3/29/2008

quote:
Originally posted by AndrewD
quote:
Originally posted by Edthebanjo

Well... I mean, objectively speaking, it’s not revealing... because there’s a long sleeved white turtleneck underneath it.

I suspect what they’re really saying is that the laciness of the black bit made them imagine her without the white bit. But that’s their problem, not hers in my opinion.

It’s actually quite nice to see some good old-fashioned offence being taken by conservatives for a change... seems everything I read now is about the woke people getting offended and cancelling stuff.


Pity we don't have fractional 'likes'. First bit - Totally agree. Second bit - What planet are you living on ? If 'everything I read now is about the woke people getting offended and cancelling stuff' then I'd guess that your reading doesn't stray very far beyond the Daily Mail. 


I thought it was clear from context but rereading my post it's not. I was actually referring to the BHO specifically. I'm aware it happens across the board on the planet I'm living on.

Don't like the Daily Mail (or the Sun before you ask) - I'm not a Tory by any stretch. I read the Independent, and get the Times for the crosswords. Then I get almost all of my other news using the various news apps.

Edited by - Edthebanjo on 03/01/2021 03:58:41

Mar 1, 2021 - 4:02:06 AM

783 posts since 9/6/2019

In my opinion it is an undergarment. However, she is fully covered and, since I'm old, I have to go by the number of people I see out and about wearing pajamas complete with slippers and robe to judge current fashion trends. Nothing inappropriate other than maybe not knowing what goes inside and what goes outside. Then again, my teachers probably thought my "The Ayatolla is an assahola" T-shirt was inappropriate as well.

Mar 1, 2021 - 5:38:26 AM

6593 posts since 9/5/2006

anybody been to the beach lately,,they ain't no surprises anymore,,,this gal is just fine,,,, plenty of coverage,, if she can rock it ,,let'er rip !!!

i mean since the return of the hip huggers (low rise jeans)  they just barely come above the forbidden zone so i don't think this girls style is too bizarre......

Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 03/01/2021 05:45:03

Mar 1, 2021 - 6:13:19 AM
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DC5

USA

18112 posts since 6/30/2015

Hey, if it was alright for Superman to wear his underwear on the outside, it should be alright for this girl too.

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