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Feb 24, 2021 - 4:56:15 AM
80 posts since 4/9/2019

Hi! Setting up a Goldtone Archtop. Thoughts on Bart Veereman’s Archie bRidge and a clear Remo head with light gauge strings. Currently has a translucent head, Snuffy Smith bridge and heavy strings. Tailpiece will be the stock straight piece. Plays nice and strong as is, but was hoping for a bit more cut to the sound... thoughts?

Feb 24, 2021 - 8:19:56 AM
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beegee

USA

22267 posts since 7/6/2005

What exactly do you mean by "cut?" Clear heads sound crashy to me-overly bright and loud Before I changed the head, I'd try several different lighter bridges and play with head tension and tailpiece adjustment.

Feb 24, 2021 - 8:32:25 AM

80 posts since 4/9/2019

Hi! Thanks for the response... by cut I meant a harsher sound, less bass, more mid/top range.

Feb 24, 2021 - 8:53:28 AM

ChunoTheDog

Canada

707 posts since 8/9/2019

Mids/high and bass aren't mutually exclusive. Just keep in mind not all archtops are Stanleytones.

Try setting it up like a flathead and adjust from there.

Clear heads sound god awful, in my opinion.

Feb 24, 2021 - 9:10:01 AM

80 posts since 4/9/2019

2 nays on the clear head!!!

Feb 24, 2021 - 9:17 AM

231 posts since 10/18/2020

quote:
Originally posted by DocSavino

Hi! Setting up a Goldtone Archtop. Thoughts on Bart Veereman’s Archie bRidge and a clear Remo head with light gauge strings. Currently has a translucent head, Snuffy Smith bridge and heavy strings. Tailpiece will be the stock straight piece. Plays nice and strong as is, but was hoping for a bit more cut to the sound... thoughts?


I did a test of several different bridges several of them were Veerman bridges and two of them just happened to be the Dark Star and the Archie bridges what I tried them on was a Rickard 11inch maple whyte Laydie tone ring with a goat skin head out of all the bridges I tried I loved the Dark star the most it gave my Rickard the sound I was looking for with increased volume and I am not talking just a little volume but a lot more ,more sustain ,clearer notes up and down the neck the Archie bridge was quite similar to the Dark Star on the particular banjo but there was something about the Dark star that checked every box for me

with both the Dark Star and the Archie I also noticed that the strings responded with the lightest of touch

I do not think with either one you can go wrong they are both a beautifully made bridges just be aware they will surprise you just how thin and light the Darkstar and the Archie both are.

if you do decide to get either just be careful when you install either because they both want to start turning when you start putting tension on the strings and will literally turn the best way I found to install them is to start tensioning the third string first and then either the 1st or 5th string if you do it that way they settle down and you are then able to tune it up to where ever you want.

I hope this helps  

Feb 24, 2021 - 10:17:50 AM

80 posts since 4/9/2019

Thank you! Very helpful!

Feb 24, 2021 - 2:31:52 PM

13470 posts since 6/29/2005

quote:
Originally posted by DocSavino

Hi! Thanks for the response... by cut I meant a harsher sound, less bass, more mid/top range.


I have a 1927 Granada and wanted that kind of sound 55 years ago (don't anymore). Based on my own experimentation, if harsh and snappy is what you want, I would make the bridge as light as it could possibly be and still support the strings—shave it way down, put on a Remo frosted head tightened above 91, and crank down the tailpiece to increase the break angle. Light gauge strings, and as high a bridge as possible.

I agree with the "Nays" on the clear head—those are for if you want to see something that's inside the pot like a gold plated tone ring or a picture in the resonator—been there done that.

Feb 24, 2021 - 2:48:17 PM

80 posts since 4/9/2019

Well, I went ahead and put an Archie bridge ( thin), cranked the tailpiece, put light strings on her (9-20) and the clear Remo head! Peels paint off the walls! I will probably put a translucent head on to reduce the sustain... all in all it sounds great!

Feb 24, 2021 - 3:22:36 PM

80 posts since 4/9/2019

quote:
Originally posted by DocSavino

Well, I went ahead and put an Archie bridge ( thin), cranked the tailpiece, put light strings on her (9-20) and the clear Remo head! Peels paint off the walls! I will probably put a translucent head on to reduce the sustain... all in all it sounds great!





Feb 24, 2021 - 5:18:01 PM

80 posts since 4/9/2019

Finished the set up, tuned drum to 93 (C?). Now when I play C up the neck I get a slight resonance....

Feb 24, 2021 - 6:22:28 PM

ChunoTheDog

Canada

707 posts since 8/9/2019

quote:
Originally posted by DocSavino

Finished the set up, tuned drum to 93 (C?). Now when I play C up the neck I get a slight resonance....


Probably too tight

Feb 24, 2021 - 6:34:42 PM
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80 posts since 4/9/2019

Will give it overnight to loosen and then if still occurring will loosen

Feb 25, 2021 - 1:49:20 PM

13470 posts since 6/29/2005

I use an amber ren head at 90-90.5 on mine along with a spalted maple bridge—the spalted maple is a little bit lighter than regular maple at the same dimensions.

Feb 25, 2021 - 1:58:11 PM

80 posts since 4/9/2019

Thanks! I loosened the head back to 90.. using an Archie bridge (very thin). Much better. Slight buzz on 4th string so will raise action just a slight amount.

Feb 25, 2021 - 8:58:54 PM

Bart Veerman

Canada

4893 posts since 1/5/2005
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The sweet spot for Archies on most archtops is 91~92 on the Drum Dial. To fine tune the tail piece tension, go by what your ears tell you.

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