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Jan 20, 2021 - 7:24:31 PM
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Won this a few days back on ebay, and haven’t received it yet. Just getting around to posting the auction photos.
Appears to be, circa, what, 1870? I’ve only seen that type of shoe on early banjos, but maybe Joel would be able to look in a catalog or two and say if they were also used later.




 

Jan 20, 2021 - 7:26:41 PM
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Jan 20, 2021 - 8:21:02 PM

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Originally posted by IMBanjoJim

Won this a few days back on ebay, and haven’t received it yet. Just getting around to posting the auction photos.
Appears to be, circa, what, 1870? I’ve only seen that type of shoe on early banjos, but maybe Joel would be able to look in a catalog or two and say if they were also used later.


I'm real curious to see what others say about this one! I thought it was quite early and I seem to remember seeing shoes similar that on another banjo on line somewhere. Looking forward to what you do with it! Congrats Jim!

Jan 20, 2021 - 8:39:24 PM

1317 posts since 3/1/2012

Well, some Boucher banjos used this kind of shoe, not that I'm saying this is a Boucher. What I don't know is when this kind of shoe went out of fashion.

Jan 21, 2021 - 4:57:23 AM
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Jim’s next book -

Another old Banjo...

Jan 21, 2021 - 5:02:54 AM

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That’s a tough one to tell the age. I would give a range of early 1870’s all the way to early 1900’s.

Needless to say, really cool banjo. Love the way the neck was put together.

Another great find. Congrats!

Jan 21, 2021 - 5:23:09 AM
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The way the neck is pieced together it looks homemade to me.

Jan 21, 2021 - 5:40:52 AM

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2786 posts since 1/15/2014

I've seen that exact rim hardware many times before. The neck looks homemade. It is worth noting that pots like this were sold in catalogs through the 1890s.

Jan 21, 2021 - 7:25:31 AM

1686 posts since 1/13/2012

Homemade necks on old, cheap rims are pretty common, as the cheap factory necks were fragile (often made of Poplar) and broke easily. I'd guess that's what we're looking at here.

Jan 21, 2021 - 8:14:20 AM

1317 posts since 3/1/2012

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Originally posted by Andy FitzGibbon

Homemade necks on old, cheap rims are pretty common, as the cheap factory necks were fragile (often made of Poplar) and broke easily. I'd guess that's what we're looking at here.


Well then let me refine my question: how old might the banjo pot be?

Jan 21, 2021 - 10:02:15 AM

1317 posts since 3/1/2012

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Originally posted by Alvin Conder

Jim’s next book -

Another old Banjo...


I like it! If it happens I will mention you!

Jan 21, 2021 - 10:03:54 AM

1317 posts since 3/1/2012

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I've seen that exact rim hardware many times before. The neck looks homemade. It is worth noting that pots like this were sold in catalogs through the 1890s.


John, can you point me to an example? If correct, this would certainly change my assessment of the date.

Jan 24, 2021 - 6:10:21 PM

1317 posts since 3/1/2012

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Originally posted by csacwp

I've seen that exact rim hardware many times before. The neck looks homemade. It is worth noting that pots like this were sold in catalogs through the 1890s.


John, were pots sold with this style of shoe into the 1890s? It strikes me as being older, but a catalog engraving from later in the century would go a long ways toward changing my mind.

The banjo should arrive in the next day or so.

Jan 26, 2021 - 3:31:02 PM
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This old banjo finally arrived today. A couple cool pencil drawings on the inside of the torn skin, as well as a faded name that might be C. Feller, but I’m not sure about that.
Here are some close up photos.




 

Jan 26, 2021 - 3:32:14 PM
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Jan 26, 2021 - 3:34:07 PM
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Jan 27, 2021 - 11:30:21 AM
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I don't know how long these were made, but I've seen a number of what I call Boucher bracket banjos with the same type of pot and slotted peghead necks. They also have an exaggerated heel cut. Here are two examples.


Jan 27, 2021 - 12:18:09 PM

1317 posts since 3/1/2012

Thanks, Hank! Interesting examples that I am, of course, salivating about.

Jan 28, 2021 - 5:59:26 PM

1317 posts since 3/1/2012

Some progress. Got the neck and rimstick pulled back enough to work on the pot. Used WD on all the hooks and nuts, which were frozen solid. Was eventually able to get the hooks off. Got the old ripped head off. Ordered a new unbleached goatskin head on Etsy. Dribbled some Titebond into part of the wood pot where it was delaminated, and will clamp overnight.
Will have to wait till the new head comes in the mail.
Several banjo collectors whose opinion I respect feel that the pot could be anywhere from 1870 to 1890, which is way later than I thought. Still digesting that big of an age spread. The neck is homemade.




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