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I am not a guitarist but my understanding is that guitarists typically position their instruments much flatter than the 45 degrees suggested as the correct angle for holding the banjo.
As a relativel beginner I am very interested to understand what the underlying rationale is for why this is good technique for the banjo and not the guitar ?
I hold mine at 47, but I've always been a rebel.
I've seen guitarists hold guitars at various angles, and rock & roll guitarists tend to wear them very low. It's a fashion statement. But if you wear a strap you'll see that the guitar balances flatter, and the banjo has a steeper angle. This is probably due to the weight of the body of the instrument, but mostly it's because that's how Earl did it. Following the sage advice of Mike Gregory, who got the sage advice from someone else. It's your banjo, hold it any way you want.
There's no banjo law that says you HAVE to hold your banjo at that angle. I've seen people hold it at a horizontal angle and I've seen people hold it at a 20 to 35% angle. It's according to your size, the length of your arm, length of your fingers and what's comfortable to you.
I think the rationale behind the 45% angle is because for most people that's the best and most comfortable position to allow them to fret and pick. At that angle your fingers should be able to 3-finger pick easily, striking the strings and follow through is easy.
No rule, but holding the banjo neck as parallel to the ground (if you're standing) as possible, allows your right hand to be positioned in such a way to allow you to strike the strings at the optimum angle for good tone. This was another of the many lessons taught to me by Jimmy Martin, and it works.
Holding your banjo parallel to the floor means all your fingers will be the same distance from the bridge. So tonal qualities for all strings should be more consistent. I don't hear a banjo sounding better when played standing up, so I play sitting down with the banjo in my lap.
It is not completely level, but it is not slanted a lot either. Playing sitting down reduces changes of physical problems as well.
Guitar positioning pedagogy
45° or so...seated
A foot raised by a small stool
position the guitar in the raised thigh.
Which puts both wrists in a straight line. No tension on the wrists.
Pianists have similar wrist alignment procedures to their instrument
It's all about NOT adding tension to the ligaments and tendons in the wrist facilitating finger movement.
Banjo wise, this relaxed positioning helps to achieve the same goal.
Golfers don't put a death grip on their golf clubs for the same reason, it relaxes the tendons allowing the wrist and fingers more flexibility.
Edited by - geoB on 01/16/2021 06:48:45
I find that angling the neck allows me to hold my fingers at a better angle relative to the strings. Since everybody’s hand and wrists are a little bit different, you might have to play around to find your sweet spot. Maybe on guitar, esp. with flat picking, it’s going to be a little different because your technique is a little different. I think classical guitar players use a steeper angle.
This image shows "proper" wrist alignment.
Can this be achieved with a banjo? Sure, only there's no waist on a banjo so I imagine that positioning it between your legs to achieve that angle would be a close representation.
"Proper" doesn't mean anything other than what's comfortable, without stressing your tendons and ligaments. Most beginning music books after the table of contents discusses the features of your instrument, and the proper positioning for playing your instrument. This comes out of the pedagogue and it's not mandatory but it is a general recommendation given and in most cases and in most beginning music instrument books it's rarely ever explained why.
Edited by - geoB on 01/16/2021 07:59:08
And then there's Benji Flaming, formerly with Monroe Crossing:
This is a bit different and may not work for 5 string. I play plectrum and I recently found my fingering hand cramping up. My fingering positions had to stretch and cause cramps when trying reach long throws, particularly near the nut.
Then I saw that a world class banjoist played with the neck almost vertical, with the banjo in his lap. The left elbow needs to stick up a bit but this allows the hand/fingers to be positioned very naturally. No more cramps. Of course, the pick angle is more severe but it wasn't difficult to overcome this minor problem.
The banjoist who inspired me added another position element, by the way - he turned the banjo at an angle so it doesn't lie flat against the body. The fretboard/head is facing at a 45 degree angle to the front. That has the benefit of positioning the strumming hand straighter in line with the arm and not at such a wrist angle that causes out-of-balance fatigue.
These fixes might sound extreme, but I was on the verge of giving up the banjo (after 50 years). These adjustments were a small price to keep playing.
What works best for classical guitar does not (IMO) work well at all for banjo, (or steel-string guitar!).
Generally, my approach to any plucked instrument (flatpicked, fingerpicked, strummed, or clawhammer) is to have my right forearm (roughly) parallel to and right over the strings. That naturally puts the neck in a horizontal position. I do keep the neck angled as much as 45 degrees-- from the plane of the front of my body, so that my left hand is comfortably forward. Playing seated, a banjo usually winds up tucked well under my right arm, with my left hand (in "first position") not far from my left knee.
Banjo angle is entirely a matter of personal choice. Personally, I don't like to see banjos held at a high angle from horizontal -- it bugs me. Go figure. It makes me think the picker has a closed-off body position, body language that suggests defensiveness. Again, that's just me.
The late Big Kenny Ingram famously held his banjo like a machine gun, just abut horizontal. Aggressive!
For bands around a single mike, it's not good to hold the banjo too high because the peghead might obscure a bandmates face. Earl usually lowered his banjo neck a little when he came into to sing. Ralph also. I think in general, in the older days with the Foggies and Flatt, Earl held his banjo a little lower than 45 deg. when taking breaks.
Even more than banjo players, I hate to see a bluegrass guitar neck held up at a high angle. I liked how Flatt, Stanley, Smiley, Martin, Rice held their guitar necks closer to horizontal.
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Originally posted by Dan GellertWhat works best for classical guitar does not (IMO) work well at all for banjo, (or steel-string guitar!).
I somewhat agree as I usually strap a banjo up but the neck is still angled.
As far as steel-string dreadnaughts, archies, and jumbo's, those body sizes and the reach of the neck due to the body size (and neck joint to fretboard relationship) wouldn't work seated in the classical position.
Edited by - geoB on 01/16/2021 12:59:38
Thanks for everybody's advice and comments - much appreciated.
On reflection and after some experimentation, what makes most sense to me is a 45 degree angle allows the picking fingers to operate near-perpendicular to the strings with a good alignment of the right arm and wrist. More than 45 seems a bit awkward.
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