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Jan 13, 2021 - 4:03:54 PM
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Owen

Canada

7424 posts since 6/5/2011

.... or maybe, who SHOULD own it?  

Apparently this isn't the first time this issue https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/your-car-knows-a-lot-about-you-who-owns-that-data-1.5264258?cache=bnbdbzprrissrh has gotten some publicity.

Here's a link from  about 1.5 years ago https://www.thestar.com/business/technology/2019/04/10/your-car-is-watching-you-who-owns-the-data.html   and I recall hearing about a similar issue with the computer info used in operating farm machinery some  years ago.

What think y'all?

Jan 13, 2021 - 4:42:27 PM
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banjo bill-e

Tuvalu

10551 posts since 2/22/2007

I think that it is outrageous that a company can legally track you without your approval. If you buy any new computer or download apps or use social media or carry a cellphone, then you have pretty much agreed to unlimited abuses of your personal data in the massive unread user agreement, but I do doubt that such appears on a new vehicle purchase agreement, though i have not purchased new in a few years and I could be wrong about that.

Jan 13, 2021 - 6:08:30 PM
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KCJones

USA

1072 posts since 8/30/2012

The data is owned by whomever made the device. The car data is owned by the car company, your phone data is owned by several companies, the list goes on and on. It's a real issue. Data is information, and we live in the information age.

I think it's an interesting topic, but it's nearly impossible to discuss data privacy without discussing politics, so I expect it will be locked within a few comments. But I will say that there's a certain politician that ran for president in 2020 that has made data privacy a central plank of his platform (he did not make it past the primary). If you care about data privacy, it may be worth looking it up. 

The general concept is that any data about you is yours, and you hold copyright on it. Similar to if you were to play a song and someone recorded it, they cannot sell that recording without your permission. Recordings of music are technically just stored data of behavior. The same should be true about all the other stored data of your behavior. 

Edited by - KCJones on 01/13/2021 18:10:25

Jan 14, 2021 - 5:09:51 AM

305 posts since 4/11/2019

The truck I drive now just turned 11, and I know a lot of things have changed since it was new.

Last year I had the fortune to drive a brand new Chevy Silverado in the opening parade of a NASCAR truck race. Drive a brand new 70K truck around the Daytona Speedway? How fun is that, sign me up!

So there are about 45 trucks all lined up, and the organizers tell us to start the engines but not to put them in gear for ten minutes. We were all waiting for a potential software update!! During the download, the trucks cannot move!!

Jan 14, 2021 - 5:19:03 AM
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DC5

USA

15879 posts since 6/30/2015

You don't even own the rights to your own DNA if you have ever had any medical treatment, given blood, or done any of the various ancestry DNA tests. Look at the story of Henrietta Lacks for the prime example. Once you are in someone's database, all that information belongs to the database owner.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks

Jan 14, 2021 - 7:48:52 AM

2397 posts since 2/10/2013

In some cases, data is sold. If I was really worried about people having data about me, I would not have the internet installed on my computer. It is constantly "mining" information about users.
Reading my data would be a good cure for insomnia. My wife drives her newer car and I drive a 2006 Honda Civic with 55K miles. I do not lead an exciting lifestyle. I do chores, play music, and take walks.

Jan 14, 2021 - 8:51:51 AM

figmo59

USA

32329 posts since 3/5/2008

NunYaBidness... ;0)

Jan 14, 2021 - 9:18:46 AM

KCJones

USA

1072 posts since 8/30/2012

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Hauser

In some cases, data is sold. If I was really worried about people having data about me, I would not have the internet installed on my computer. It is constantly "mining" information about users.
Reading my data would be a good cure for insomnia. My wife drives her newer car and I drive a 2006 Honda Civic with 55K miles. I do not lead an exciting lifestyle. I do chores, play music, and take walks.


Dick, even if you avoid the typical data traps, these companies still build profiles about you. Facebook is one such example, if all your friends have Facebook and you ever get mentioned, they will build "shadow profiles" that basically contain all the data they know about you. I think you'd be surprised how much they track even if you don't use their services. 

If you have a cell phone, 100% of all sound within range of the microphone is downloaded, analyzed, and stored. The microphone never turns off. Same with your smart TV. Your phone also logs your movement. This is without signing up for anything, it happens simply by owning a phone or TV.

As a side note, totally off topic, but I would consider your 55k mile 2006 to be a 'newer' car. I guess everyone's got a different perspective. I'm not sure if I've ever had a car with a 5 figure odometer. 

Edited by - KCJones on 01/14/2021 09:27:11

Jan 14, 2021 - 9:21:53 AM

KCJones

USA

1072 posts since 8/30/2012

As a side note, when I load Banjohangout on my computer, my anti-tracking software lists 24 potential data trackers on this website alone.

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