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Dec 2, 2020 - 8:06:04 AM
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foxnews.com/world/australians-...se-report

Is there no private property
ownership in Australia?

Dec 2, 2020 - 8:07:55 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by 5B-Ranch

foxnews.com/world/australians-...se-report

Is there no private property
ownership in Australia?


Well .... if you think you really own your property, try not paying taxes on it!wink

Dec 2, 2020 - 8:14:16 AM

m06

England

9554 posts since 10/5/2006

I just looked it up and most of Keswick Island is designated as a National Park. That probably answers your question.

Leaseholders are subject to restrictions and responsibilities in regard to that lease. Freeholders generally are not.

Dec 2, 2020 - 8:16:22 AM

9799 posts since 8/22/2006

I know the article mentions that Queensland owns the island and apparently the occupants are leasing their property from the government. So how is one compensated for the improvements that are now being sold to China?

Dec 2, 2020 - 8:30:30 AM
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I would think the owners of the residences would have to be compensated by Queensland. I can't imagine that the leaseholders would have made improvements without a written agreement .... one that the Queensland government would have to abide by.

Dec 2, 2020 - 8:31:16 AM

banjo bill-e

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10593 posts since 2/22/2007

What John said. We "own" real estate until we are taxed out of it or unless it is taken from us through eminent domain seizure, which is when the local government decides that you don't own it anymore and must sell it to the government, at their price, to be given or sold, at their price, to some other entity which they deem more suitable to their central planning.

Dec 2, 2020 - 8:46:35 AM
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DC5

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quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink
quote:
Originally posted by 5B-Ranch

foxnews.com/world/australians-...se-report

Is there no private property
ownership in Australia?


Well .... if you think you really own your property, try not paying taxes on it!wink


Or dig a pond, cut down all the trees, build any kind of structure you want . . .

Dec 2, 2020 - 9:50:57 AM

m06

England

9554 posts since 10/5/2006

quote:
Originally posted by 5B-Ranch

I know the article mentions that Queensland owns the island and apparently the occupants are leasing their property from the government. So how is one compensated for the improvements that are now being sold to China?


That would be one for an Australian lawyer specialising in property law.

'Private property' is an artifice and a product of our legislature. Definitions of that artifice vary from country to country. And I say that as a home 'owner'.

Edited by - m06 on 12/02/2020 09:55:28

Dec 2, 2020 - 9:56:32 AM

m06

England

9554 posts since 10/5/2006

quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink
quote:
Originally posted by 5B-Ranch

foxnews.com/world/australians-...se-report

Is there no private property
ownership in Australia?


Well .... if you think you really own your property, try not paying taxes on it!wink


Or dig a pond, cut down all the trees, build any kind of structure you want . . .


...or deny access to public rights of way.

Of course. 

Dec 2, 2020 - 10:26:51 AM

56505 posts since 12/14/2005

I seem to recall the U.S. leasing some land in Guantanamo, Cuba, and even after the lease expired, they kept a lot of people with military weapons there.

Dec 2, 2020 - 11:35:13 AM

heavy5

USA

1456 posts since 11/3/2016

Several friends owned cottages in Ontario Canada on a lake & then came the law they had to give them up (sell) if not Canadian citizens by the Canadian government . This was quite a few years ago & I don't know the status now ?

Edited by - heavy5 on 12/02/2020 11:35:56

Dec 2, 2020 - 11:45:01 AM
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mander

USA

4487 posts since 10/7/2007

Isn't it interesting... if it's about the USA, it's politics, but if it's about a different country, it's just interesting news?

Dec 2, 2020 - 11:51:57 AM

Owen

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.... interesting??    ... that "depends."   ...politics??   ... that "depends."    wink

Dec 2, 2020 - 12:24:52 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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24250 posts since 6/25/2005

Here’s one on property. Lease said tenant had to paint interior on lease termination. He did soj two months before lease end. Landlord sued claiming that was not at lease termination. So tenant painted—flat black. Landlord took him to court again. Judge read lease; found it said nothing about color or restoring to status quo ante. Tenant wins.

Dec 2, 2020 - 12:43:28 PM
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scramblefingers

Australia

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The port of Darwin, the major port in northern Australia was leased to a Chinese company for 99 years. This happened a few years ago. Greed wins again.

Dec 2, 2020 - 12:45:47 PM

QldPicker

Australia

192 posts since 4/17/2020

I live in Queensland. However I did not read the linked article because it is Fox News.
Private property is alive and well here, however weird things can and have happened when freehold property is purchased by complete despots.
ab.co/2I6UgES

Dec 2, 2020 - 12:46:12 PM

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I'm paying a mortgage because "my" land made it possible to get a 50k lobster boat and a brand new car.

Dec 2, 2020 - 12:47:22 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink
quote:
Originally posted by 5B-Ranch

foxnews.com/world/australians-...se-report

Is there no private property
ownership in Australia?


Well .... if you think you really own your property, try not paying taxes on it!wink


Or dig a pond, cut down all the trees, build any kind of structure you want . . .


Dave .... our town just put our its new "tree regulations".  It seems that if you "own" the property you must not own the trees on it.  You have to ask for permission to cut or trim your trees and if you cut one you must plant another of a certain size.  There also much be a specified number of trees per 1000 sq. ft. of property.

Dec 2, 2020 - 12:59:38 PM

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I'm glad my trees are all mine to do with as I please.;
I've been thinking of having a forest products company come in and cut my 33 acres.

Dec 2, 2020 - 2:39:17 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory

I seem to recall the U.S. leasing some land in Guantanamo, Cuba, and even after the lease expired, they kept a lot of people with military weapons there.


Actually, there is no end date on the lease. 

Dec 2, 2020 - 2:51:19 PM
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Paul R

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quote:
Originally posted by heavy5

Several friends owned cottages in Ontario Canada on a lake & then came the law they had to give them up (sell) if not Canadian citizens by the Canadian government . This was quite a few years ago & I don't know the status now ?


Seriously? I've not heard of that. Unless it's a land exproptiation for, say, military use, I don't see the feds doing any such thing. Foreigners can own land here. I have an American friend who has a cottage north of here. Of course, he can't get to it now with the border being closed. Lots of Americans have cottages around these parts.

Dec 2, 2020 - 3:06:21 PM
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Paul R

Canada

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I've pretty much given up the idea that I "own" anything, except the food I eat and the clothes I wear. When it comes to possessions, I pay a hefty fee for being the custodian of the house, instruments, art, and furniture. When I die it will be up to other people to pay, again, to become the new custodians. Just visit an antique store.

Dec 2, 2020 - 3:14:25 PM

Owen

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Paul, have you forgotten my offer to help you out with the custodial fee on your Group of Seven paintings? cheeky

Edit:  Back in the latter part of the 70s I worked for a construction foreman who had just recently migrated from England. On weekends he would "follow" his wife thru antique shops in Winnipeg. Apparently it was commonplace at that time in his part of England that when you moved out, you just put your furniture out on the sidewalk... first come, first served.   His comment when telling us about it: "W'at the _ook!! This is w'at we left on the sidewalk, and 'ere they're sellin' it fer $2000 - $2500."

Edited by - Owen on 12/02/2020 15:30:50

Dec 2, 2020 - 3:31:55 PM

Owen

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quote:
Originally posted by Owen

Oooops, another of those %^$#%$ "double posts".... edited to the round file.


Edited by - Owen on 12/02/2020 15:35:39

Dec 2, 2020 - 3:44:24 PM
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Originally posted by steve davis

I'm glad my trees are all mine to do with as I please.;
I've been thinking of having a forest products company come in and cut my 33 acres.


Best to check environmental impact laws before even cutting one healthy tree down these days Steve. I had a friend who cut down about 6 pine trees to make a path into an open field he wanted access to for his snowmobiles…….he was fined $500 a tree because one of his friendly neighbors called the zoning officer on him…..I also had a brother in law who built a house on a piece of land with several trees in the way……for every tree he cut down he had to replace with 2. He fought for  2 1/2 years and settled for 1 for 1……this country is getting sick…….yet they let some slob cut down 50 acres to install solar panels….go figure…I know Maine like most New England states have really strict environmental laws. ....but if you do contact a logger they'll be able to let you know all the rules.....good luck.

Dec 2, 2020 - 3:52:44 PM

9799 posts since 8/22/2006

I appreciate all the response but I'm still concerned. Can a government sell land that the government supposedly owns to anyone without some kind of vote from the citizens that supposedly make up that government. Can the USA sell Liberty Island to some other country without consent from us tax payers. Shouldn’t the people have a voice in this?

Edited by - 5B-Ranch on 12/02/2020 15:53:49

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