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Nov 29, 2020 - 3:11 PM
411 posts since 5/15/2003

Just curious about what people would recommend here on buying a banjo that comes close to the sound that Earl Scruggs' banjo produced? Budget not an issue...thankfully.

Thanks

Nov 29, 2020 - 5:11:19 PM
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15043 posts since 12/2/2005

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Originally posted by michaelws

Just curious about what people would recommend here on buying a banjo that comes close to the sound that Earl Scruggs' banjo produced? Budget not an issue...thankfully.

Thanks


Does Earl's right hand come with the instrument? Do the recording consoles?

Seriously, there are lots of terrific banjos that get built today. But an awful lot of what we know of Earl's sound is due to his technique and the gear that recorded him. That's how we know his sound.

Nov 29, 2020 - 5:23:34 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

24250 posts since 6/25/2005

Personal opinion, understanding that more than the banjo goes into the “Earl sound.”
Were I buying a new banjo to set up to duplicate that sound as best I could, I’d get a Huber. Others will disagree of course, but imo, Hubers can be set up to produce that sound; the rest is up to you. Noting what Skip said above (and he’s correct), the sound your ear hears as “Earl’s” varies tremendously according to the date and nature of the recording. Many of his “classic” recordings were made with a calfskin head on the banjo, another thing to consider.

Edited by - Bill Rogers on 11/29/2020 17:27:15

Nov 29, 2020 - 5:32:22 PM
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Bill H

USA

1483 posts since 11/7/2010

I think Earl started playing when he was 4 years old. I'd start there. Seriously, we are in a time when there are some great choices for banjos, especially if budget is not a limiting factor. When I recently purchased a banjo, I spent lots of time reading reviews and the maker's info, and listening to many demos on You tube. I decided on a Nechville Phantom. I don't believe if I had another hundred years that I'd ever be able to play like Earl.

Edited by - Bill H on 11/29/2020 17:33:18

Nov 29, 2020 - 6:11:21 PM
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194 posts since 6/25/2016

I'm no expert on this, having never owned a Gibson and being after a different sound for myself, but I've been told be a highly knowledgeable source that Bales banjos are very close. They seem to no longer be available new, but they do pop up used.

Nov 29, 2020 - 7:17:52 PM

beegee

USA

22089 posts since 7/6/2005

Krako

Nov 29, 2020 - 7:18:50 PM

14 posts since 6/12/2014

only one answer as j.d.told me has to be a pre war, good luck trying to find that sound, joe

Nov 29, 2020 - 8:39:56 PM
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13612 posts since 10/30/2008

If budget is truly not an issue, a pre-war Granada flat head one piece flanger with a maple neck for Earl's "earlier" sound, but be sure to use a skin head! For his post 1960 sound a mahogany neck and a plastic head. For his post 1980 sound, a maple neck.

However, as others have said, Earl playing ANY good banjo would have the "Earl sound". He sounded just like himself playing his Vega Earl Scruggs Custom Deluxe model.

For the regular pilgrim, I'd point them to an early period Gibson Earl Scruggs Standard or 49 Classic. Really they are fine banjos.

Nov 30, 2020 - 3:19:41 AM
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3496 posts since 7/12/2006

You have touched on a topic that has been talked about since the 60s . Its like searching for the holy grail. So what banjo other than an original pre war mastertone has as close as possible that sound? Much good advice has already been given. Id have to say listen to players whose sound you like ,who DON'T play a pre war , and find out what they DO play and start from there

Nov 30, 2020 - 4:26:30 AM

4559 posts since 11/20/2004

The "Earl sound" came from his hand as said above. He recorded on more than one banjo and all had that sound. I have played two banjos from the same batch as his and neither sounded like Earl with me playing them.
I would look at Yates, Huber, and Sullivan V35 models to come close if wanting a new banjo. None will equal a good true prewar if you want to go original, in my opinion.

Nov 30, 2020 - 6:34:57 AM

411 posts since 5/15/2003

Thanks to all who replied. I knew I should have put in my original post that I know the sound produced by Earl was due in large part to his expertise and the gear used for recording. I will feel more secure purchasing new rather than seeking a used instrument. I am grateful for all your input. I have always liked the Hubers. I will also check out Yates and Sullivan.

Nov 30, 2020 - 6:37:43 AM
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RB3

USA

889 posts since 4/12/2004

There's budgets and then there's BUDGETS. If you're actually talking about a BUDGET, then take a good look at the Banjos associated with the links below.  If you're really talking about a budget, buy a Huber.

Gibson RB-3 Mastertone 1930

Gibson PB-3 Conversion 1930

Gibson TB-75 Conversion 1939

Nov 30, 2020 - 6:43:19 AM

411 posts since 5/15/2003

Looks like I'm "really talking about a budget." !!! Thanks. I'll look at the Huber!

Nov 30, 2020 - 6:46:08 AM

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Nov 30, 2020 - 7:16:52 AM
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92 posts since 9/23/2019

I do not get this obsession, and personally, I don't want to. I came from the classical world, and my undergrad teacher sounded completely different than my teacher in grad school. And guess what? It was okay. They were both fantastic musicians.

Nobody in the woodwind world picks just one player and tries to emulate them. If they do, they're not getting too far.

Rant over.

Nov 30, 2020 - 7:24 AM

5549 posts since 12/20/2005

To my ears, I think the Yates SkilletHead, really has a great tone.
I had one. It was the best 5-string I ever owned.
I sold it because I changed to 6-string Banjo.
There are a lot of recordings you can check out on YouTube.

Nov 30, 2020 - 7:42:30 AM
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Helix

USA

13295 posts since 8/30/2006

It’s not the size of the dog in the fight

It’s the size of the fight in the banjo me boys

Go ahead buy banjo “by the pound” they all sound the same
These banjos are not changing with the audience and the future kids might not understand hair splitting in a tiny niche market
Besides the chocolate drops, find me a bluegrass band of “color”
That’s the future
My dog can tell the difference

My response to your money question is try my reviews and user group I ain’t afraid


Nov 30, 2020 - 7:51:19 AM
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767 posts since 1/28/2013

Keep in mind that Hubers have narrow necks. To some players that can be an issue. Also, the fretboards are flush to head, which causes the strings to be close to the head when picking close to the fretboard, as opposed to some models which have a raised fretboard allowing more clearance for picking.

Nov 30, 2020 - 8:44:48 AM
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AGACNP

USA

145 posts since 10/12/2011

I had a Gibson TB-3 that Steve Huber converted, and didn’t like the sound as much as a VRBG in a side by side comparison. I sold the Gibson and asked Steve to build me one. I’ve had it for about a year and I don’t feel like I’m missing anything.

Nov 30, 2020 - 9:52:03 AM
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Banjo Lefty

Canada

2098 posts since 6/19/2014

Hatfield. More banjo, fewer bucks.

Nov 30, 2020 - 2:01:32 PM

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Lots of world-class banjos these days.
A pre war Granada is worth more,but doesn't command a better sound than any well made Mastertone style banjo,in my opinion.
My '29 TB-2 with its Cox double conversion sounds as fine as any good banjo.

Dec 1, 2020 - 8:24:48 AM
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2009 posts since 10/9/2004

This one comes pretty close in Charlie’s hands. Pro’ly a prewar Mastertone but couldn’t swear to that; just wanted to share a video of a great Indian with a great arrow.
youtu.be/rZkPNL8E77Q
Cheers,
Quagmire

(New keyboard, hence, the edits)

Edited by - Quagmire on 12/01/2020 08:26:58

Dec 1, 2020 - 9:35:38 AM

conic

England

847 posts since 2/15/2014

quote:
Originally posted by loonsailor

I'm no expert on this, having never owned a Gibson and being after a different sound for myself, but I've been told be a highly knowledgeable source that Bales banjos are very close. They seem to no longer be available new, but they do pop up used.


Not heard of Bales Banjo before but they do sound very good. Notice in the video there are differnt Bales banjo models,  different pickers and all have a monster tone, could be down to the recording equipment and room acoustics because I have watched other Bales banjo videos and they sound a bit dull in comparison

Dec 1, 2020 - 2:02:53 PM
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23 posts since 10/8/2020

It’s generally 80% the player and 20% the equipment but having said that, I think the closest thing to that sound in a new banjo is a Huber. Go to iTunes and download the album “Team Flathead - The Huber Banjos Sessions” and you’ll hear it. Hubers can be ordered with wider necks. Setup also plays a big role, no matter which banjo and Steve Huber is an expert. He has a great setup DVD available on his website. Another suggestion would be to talk to Geoff Hohwald at Banjo Warehouse. Geoff is a super nice guy (so is Steve) and they both can provide great recommendations if you’re in the market for a new banjo. There are lots of good prewar conversions out there that sound great as well.

Dec 1, 2020 - 2:28:24 PM

648 posts since 2/15/2015

Do you enjoy pre-1959 (thereabouts) Scruggs recordings or post-1959?

He switched to synthetic heads around that time.

I think the skin sounded better, but it was all good.

Dec 1, 2020 - 4:13:23 PM

2392 posts since 10/17/2013
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I used to own a (postwar) Recording King/Kalamazoo (prewar Gibson rim) hybrid that was pretty much THE banjo in terms of EVERYTHING for me. You would be hard pressed to find another one which sounded as good.

 Like the fool that I was, I sold it and have deeply regretted it ever since. 

Edited by - okbluegrassbanjopicker on 12/01/2020 16:14:04

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