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Nov 29, 2020 - 2:22:55 PM

chuckv97

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Just curious - which right hand fingers/thumb would you use to play the last 5 notes of the tab below? (middle staff,,, no doubling up on any, it's fast). I'll  disclose my choices later.


 

Edited by - chuckv97 on 11/29/2020 17:16:38

Nov 29, 2020 - 2:36:48 PM
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Alex Z

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Not a lot of choices.

Either:  m  i  t  i  t

Or:  i  t  i  m  t

Or:  m  t  i  m  t

Myself, I'd do the third way, as I'm fairly comfortable using the middle finger on an interior string (2nd string), and that middle finger stays on that string for the entire phrase -- no need to shift.  But that's me.   Also, if the 2nd string notes were on the 1st string instead, that's the same fingering I'd use, as it is a pretty common pattern with the right hand, and will have a familiar feel.

Edited by - Alex Z on 11/29/2020 14:37:24

Nov 29, 2020 - 2:40:23 PM
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I would use, from the beginning of the line,
I T I M T M I T I T

Nov 29, 2020 - 3:20:49 PM

chuckv97

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Next part of riddle : it’s from a Christmas carol - can you identify which one from that snippet?

Nov 29, 2020 - 5:07:01 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

Next part of riddle : it’s from a Christmas carol - can you identify which one from that snippet?


I'm guessing "Jingle Bells" and the pull-of sign on the second to last measure is missing.

Nov 29, 2020 - 5:13:43 PM

chuckv97

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quote:
Originally posted by eagleisland
quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

Next part of riddle : it’s from a Christmas carol - can you identify which one from that snippet?


I'm guessing "Jingle Bells" and the pull-of sign on the second to last measure is missing.


Thanks for entering the tab sweepstakes, Skip... but as Alex T would say, "Nice try." (& no missing pull/push-off)
btw, it's a sacred carol, not a Xmas type song. 

Edited by - chuckv97 on 11/29/2020 17:14:38

Nov 29, 2020 - 5:30:56 PM

chuckv97

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It’s so syncopated with the banjo rolls,, so I’ll show the last two lines of the tune.
(Alex, you being from MI, you might know who’s tab this is)


 

Nov 29, 2020 - 5:44:46 PM
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I'd move the last note of the measure -- A -- to 4th string 7th fret, so I could play A-G-B as a forward roll T-I-M on 4-3-2. The open B before A could be played with index.

Nov 29, 2020 - 5:52:38 PM
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chuckv97

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Nice alternate solution , Ken. I often avoid single string stuff that way. Ever try playing “Pike Cnty Brkdwn” without the single string part,, I’ve got one that’s close enough. lol

Nov 29, 2020 - 7:40:27 PM
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I'd cheat with a pull-off from the 2.

Nov 29, 2020 - 8:06:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Cornflake

I'd cheat with a pull-off from the 2.


Not a cheat! A fine solution.

I've transcribed a couple of Mike Munford solos and found him using pull-offs or slides to avoid single string or unusual picking hand choices.

Nov 29, 2020 - 8:12:17 PM

chuckv97

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Nick Hornbuckle does the same, he says, after he went to thumb & one finger playing. I sometimes like the sound of pulled-off notes to open strings better than Keith style,,, that nice sound clawhammer players get.

Nov 30, 2020 - 6:42:41 AM
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I'd probably go with ITIMT, to take advantage of the smoothness of a little bit of forward roll.

Nov 30, 2020 - 12:38:26 PM

chuckv97

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Well, I think the thread has run its course.
The carol is “Joy to the World” , tab by Vince Sadovsky.
And after experimenting I opted for the same fingering as Ira. For some reason I felt more comfortable keeping the index rather than middle on 2nd string, then the thumb , index, middle, and finally the thumb.
Thanks for participating. Anyone else have a fingering riddle to solve?

Edited by - chuckv97 on 11/30/2020 12:39:23

Nov 30, 2020 - 12:58:38 PM
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Alex Z

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There are only 4 workable possibilities, given that the first note can't be played with the thumb (because the 5th strings was just sounded) and the last note is the 5th string (and has to be played with the thum) so the second last note  can't be played with  the thumb.  There are a few more theoretical possibilities, but they involve odd crosseovers of fingers when there is no reason to cross over.

  a.   I  T   I   M  T

  b.   M   I  T  I  T

  c.   M  T  I  M  T

  d.  M  I  T  M  T  (possible but no reason to use M for the second last note, since index works, and so this reduces to b.

a, b, c  each have been suggested by at least one player.

 

Clever alternatives such as "hey, just play a different tune" smiley  we can eliminate, as the poster is asking for right hand fingering for the tablature posted, without two notes in a row being played with the same finger.

Edited by - Alex Z on 11/30/2020 13:00:57

Nov 30, 2020 - 1:39:04 PM

chuckv97

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Here it is,,, not sure which fingering Vince used though.
youtu.be/NxMrYNePw3g

Edited by - chuckv97 on 11/30/2020 13:40:41

Nov 30, 2020 - 4:45:02 PM
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Alex Z

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This is interesting.  I have Mr. Vince's (may he rest in peace) original book, "A Banjo Christmas," from 1980.  This appears to be hand-lettered tablature, done in an expert hand.  20 tunes, although doesn't include "Joy to the World."

I listened to the recording linked above, and looked through the 1980 tablature.  Here is what I found.

  -- The tablature in "18 Christmas Songs . . . " indicates correctly the musical notes that Mr. Vince plays, in the 5-note sequence that the poster is asking about.  The tab indication is in question, however.

 -- The note important to the melody is the 4th note of the sequence, the B, and the interval jump up to the higher G on the 5th string, the 5ths note of the sequence.

 -- In the 1980 book, it is not uncommon to see the 2nd string played by the middle finger when the next note is not the 1st string.

 -- In the recording, I'm hearing the note A that the tablature shows as being played on the 3rd string second fret, I'm hearing this note ring out a little over the next note, the G on the open 3rd string.  I'm not hearing these two notes played on the same string, which would have a staccato sound.  B-A-G is a short scale fragment.

 -- This would indicate to me that the A is being played on the 4th string seventh fret, not the 3rd string second fret.

Can the tablature be wrong, by the author himself?  Well, yeah.  It is possible, because the "18 Christmas Songs . . . " has computer-produced tablature.  Sometimes such a tool gives you the correct musical note even though there is more than on way to get that note -- it has to choose something

So:  (a) We can hear what is going on, (b) we know Mr. Vince was very familiar with melodic scales, (b) we can see from hand written tablature that Mr. Vince often used the middle finger on the 2nd string.

Therefore, I think the way he played the 5 notes was:  I  T  I  M  T, with the first T being the 4th string seventh fret rather than the 3rd string second fret indicated in the tablature.  It's a natural feeling sequence for those familiar with melodic scales and playing interior strings with the middle finger.

Hope this helps.

Nov 30, 2020 - 5:01:56 PM

chuckv97

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Thanks, Alex. That was Ken's solution too.
btw, a few years ago when I contacted Vince about another guitar book, he was glad there was still some interest in his books. May he RIP.

Edited by - chuckv97 on 11/30/2020 17:04:34

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