Banjo Hangout Logo
Banjo Hangout Logo

Premier Sponsors

772
Banjo Lovers Online


Page: 1  2   Last Page (2) 

Nov 26, 2020 - 2:20:41 PM
310 posts since 8/17/2010

For years I've sought out old banjos and restored them. My dream was (as is the case with any banjo restorer/collector) to one day find the "Holy Grail" of old banjos for an inexpensive price. Last week my dream came true...almost. I was surveying the internet for banjos. Checking the "Mercari" website, I was shocked to see an "Essex and Cammeyer 59 Picadilly, London" banjo for sale. (E&C manufactured banjos at the Picadilly location from 1893-1896.) The accompanying ad photos showed a beautiful old banjo, nice inlays and displaying the "Essex & Cammeyer" stamp on the dowel. The banjo showed wear but was virtually complete and absolutely restorable. The seller's asking price was (pause for drumroll).... Twenty-Five dollars!!! I immediately purchased the banjo and sent the seller a request that he carefully package the banjo for shipment.

The following day I received no email notice that the banjo had shipped. I contacted the seller who replied (are you ready for this) "I don't have a printer so I can't print out the shipping label and I don't have transportation to the Post Office". Checking the seller's webpage, I noticed he'd sold several items recently and apparently didn't have any trouble shipping those items. I suggested the seller have someone with a printer print out the label for him. I also advised him that Mercari had a means by which he could send the Banjo via UPS without printing a shipping label. As the seller's 3 day shipping deadline approached, I contacted Mercari and asked them to contact the seller and instruct him to fulfill his contractual obligation to complete the sale of the banjo to me. They did send the seller a request to ship the banjo. But, they added in their reply to me, "If the seller fails to ship the banjo, you can re-contact us and we'll cancel the transaction and refund your money." I stressed that I didn't want a refund, I wanted the banjo I purchased. I have no doubt someone saw the "sold" banner across the Mercari ad, contacted the seller and made him an offer. The seller obviously disregarded the fact that I'd already purchased the banjo and opted instead to sell it to someone else. For the past six days I've sent the seller daily messages asking him to complete the sale of the banjo to me. He has not responded nor has he sent the banjo. Interestingly, Mercari's policy is "Cancellation of a transaction is not permitted once the product has been ordered by a Buyer, except as required by applicable law or regulation." However, by refusing to ship the banjo, the seller has, in effect, "cancelled the transaction" in violation of Mercari's policy. But, thus far Mercari has shown no interest in sanctioning or even contacting the seller.

Sorry to burden you with my personal tragedy but I just felt like I had to vent. The E&C banjo ad is still listed on the Mercari site if you'd like to view it.

Nov 26, 2020 - 2:30:06 PM

Owen

Canada

7491 posts since 6/5/2011

Bummer, for sure.  I see it's marked "Sold,"  but I also see "Shipping: $4.60  from Florida."  ???

Nov 26, 2020 - 2:47:07 PM

heavy5

USA

1456 posts since 11/3/2016

I've had a few members here sell to some one else after they accepted my offer in writing --- not quite the problem you encountered . I think this is OK in some peoples mind but not mine .

Nov 26, 2020 - 3:27:45 PM
like this

481 posts since 1/28/2011

When I see an ad for any banjo ( or anything else) where the price plus shipping is less than what actual shipping cost would be, I think SCAM.

Nov 26, 2020 - 6:52:10 PM

310 posts since 8/17/2010

Yes, $4.60 shipping is ridiculous but not uncommon. I made an offer a few months ago on a banjo on the "OfferUp" website. The ad stated the shipping charge was $12.99. The seller said he would accept my offer if I agreed to add another $40 to cover the actual cost of shipping. I told him I was willing to pay the shipping charge he'd specified but no more. The seller said that he didn't specify the shipping cost. He said that OfferUp generates and controls the shipping charge on merchandise sold on their website. Maybe the same is true with Mercari.

In any case, I would think that any "scam" would involve the seller demanding more money. This seller refused to communicate at all so I doubt he was trying to defraud. I think he just lacked any ethics or integrity.

Nov 26, 2020 - 7:00:37 PM

rcc56

USA

3280 posts since 2/20/2016

If Mercari will cancel the transaction and refund your money, it would be a good idea to take the refund and let the banjo go.
Although you might prefer have the banjo, it sounds like that ship has sailed. Any effort to force the issue is likely to result in frustration.

Nov 26, 2020 - 7:35:33 PM

56505 posts since 12/14/2005

[poop emoji]

Nov 26, 2020 - 8:58:45 PM

494 posts since 2/5/2014

What is Mercari?

I looked it up just now.

Sorry you got such a bum deal. I bought a Stelling a couple of years ago, and the ad said it was in great shape. When it arrived it looked like someone had been using it as a dinner plate. Gack! 

Edited by - talljoey on 11/26/2020 21:04:57

Nov 26, 2020 - 9:49:56 PM
likes this

310 posts since 8/17/2010

Oh, I've pretty much resigned myself to the banjo being in someone else's home at this point. But, I'm not the type of person who says, "Boy, that guy really (insert expletive here) me." and just walk away. I'm pressing Mercari to delete all the ads he has for the other junk he's got for sale and ban him permanently from their website. There just have to be consequences to bad behavior.

Nov 26, 2020 - 9:57:52 PM

481 posts since 1/28/2011

quote:
Originally posted by fretful1

Yes, $4.60 shipping is ridiculous but not uncommon. I made an offer a few months ago on a banjo on the "OfferUp" website. The ad stated the shipping charge was $12.99. The seller said he would accept my offer if I agreed to add another $40 to cover the actual cost of shipping. I told him I was willing to pay the shipping charge he'd specified but no more. The seller said that he didn't specify the shipping cost. He said that OfferUp generates and controls the shipping charge on merchandise sold on their website. Maybe the same is true with Mercari.

In any case, I would think that any "scam" would involve the seller demanding more money. This seller refused to communicate at all so I doubt he was trying to defraud. I think he just lacked any ethics or integrity.


It is not just that $4.60 is a ridiculously cheap shipping charge.  It is just that $4.60 plus the $25.00 selling price is only $29.60.  It costs over $50.00 to ship a banjo across the USA.  I would never expect someone to take 20 or 30 dollars out of thier pocket in order to sell me a banjo.

Nov 26, 2020 - 10:00:38 PM

481 posts since 1/28/2011

quote:
Originally posted by latigo1
quote:
Originally posted by fretful1

Yes, $4.60 shipping is ridiculous but not uncommon. I made an offer a few months ago on a banjo on the "OfferUp" website. The ad stated the shipping charge was $12.99. The seller said he would accept my offer if I agreed to add another $40 to cover the actual cost of shipping. I told him I was willing to pay the shipping charge he'd specified but no more. The seller said that he didn't specify the shipping cost. He said that OfferUp generates and controls the shipping charge on merchandise sold on their website. Maybe the same is true with Mercari.

In any case, I would think that any "scam" would involve the seller demanding more money. This seller refused to communicate at all so I doubt he was trying to defraud. I think he just lacked any ethics or integrity.


It is not just that $4.60 is a ridiculously cheap shipping charge.  It is just that $4.60 plus the $25.00 selling price is only $29.60.  It costs over $50.00 to ship a banjo across the USA.  It looks like a scam because I would never expect someone to take 20 or 30 dollars out of thier pocket in order to sell me a banjo.


Nov 26, 2020 - 10:26:59 PM

481 posts since 1/28/2011

quote:
Originally posted by latigo1
quote:
Originally posted by latigo1
quote:
Originally posted by fretful1

Yes, $4.60 shipping is ridiculous but not uncommon. I made an offer a few months ago on a banjo on the "OfferUp" website. The ad stated the shipping charge was $12.99. The seller said he would accept my offer if I agreed to add another $40 to cover the actual cost of shipping. I told him I was willing to pay the shipping charge he'd specified but no more. The seller said that he didn't specify the shipping cost. He said that OfferUp generates and controls the shipping charge on merchandise sold on their website. Maybe the same is true with Mercari.

In any case, I would think that any "scam" would involve the seller demanding more money. This seller refused to communicate at all so I doubt he was trying to defraud. I think he just lacked any ethics or integrity.


It is not just that $4.60 is a ridiculously cheap shipping charge.  It is just that $4.60 plus the $25.00 selling price is only $29.60.  It costs over $50.00 to ship a banjo across the USA.  It looks like a scam because I would never expect someone to take 20 or 30 dollars out of thier pocket in order to sell me a banjo.  There has been a similar scam off and on for about a year on Ebay.  Quality banjos at ridiculously low prices and shipping.  Ebay finally caught on and now they remove those scams within a day or two. 


 


Nov 27, 2020 - 5:21:41 AM

2392 posts since 10/17/2013

That is so dishonest of the seller. I’m sorry you had such a bad experience.

Nov 27, 2020 - 6:19:15 AM
likes this

1212 posts since 5/19/2018

Happens. Not all the time but it happens.

Happened to me a few times in the past. The worst was a Craigslist sale a few years ago. Contacted the seller, we talked on the phone and agreed to meet later in the day. I showed up at the agreed spot which was about one hour from my home. Waited. Waited. Called the guy and all he said was.” Oh, Someone offered me more money after we talked”.

Some people are just completely devoid of integrity and have zero honor in their word.

Just forget about the instrument and move on.

Nov 27, 2020 - 8:21 AM

481 posts since 1/28/2011

I tried to add information to my post about the Ebay scam, but just kept repeating the post. Here is what appeared on Ebay many times. An auction would appear on Ebay. It would offer a high end banjo for a very low price,usually under a hundred dollars, sometimes under twenty, with free, or very low, shipping. These were banjos that commonly sell for several thousand dollars. The Ebay listings were obviously copied directly from a legitimate auction on a different site. The pictures are high quality and the description is obviously written by someone who knows banjos. At the bottom of the auction there is a notice stating something like: "Do not bid. This is a special auction. We need to sell this banjo immediately. If you are interested in buying this banjo call this number ( and a phone number is shown)." Often, several of these fake auctions would show up on Ebay at the same time. Then you would not see any more of them for several months, then several more would appear. The auctions would stay on Ebay for several weeks, but evidently Ebay started getting complaints because at some point they started deleting the auctions within a day or two. I don't know if this is the same type of scam the OP was drawn into, but beware of any auction that offers something for a ridiculously low price, especially if (like the one we are discussing) the price is so low that in the end it will actually cost the seller money to complete the transaction.

Nov 27, 2020 - 9:03:19 AM

310 posts since 8/17/2010

Dave:
You're absolutely right. the price and shipping were very low and I admire your honorable unwillingness to allow a seller to go out-of-pocket to complete a sale. But here's my thought... Whatever the price, it's the price the seller set. It's not my responsibility to correct his error in judgement. He asked $29.60 and I paid $29.60. End of story. When I agreed to purchase the banjo and submitted my payment, the banjo has been sold. I am the new owner. The only thing left to do is for the seller to ship my banjo to me. I don't think I'm being unethical by paying the price the seller placed on the item. I think he's being unethical and maybe criminal in withholding my property.

Nov 27, 2020 - 10:32:41 AM
likes this

481 posts since 1/28/2011

quote:
Originally posted by fretful1

Dave:
You're absolutely right. the price and shipping were very low and I admire your honorable unwillingness to allow a seller to go out-of-pocket to complete a sale. But here's my thought... Whatever the price, it's the price the seller set. It's not my responsibility to correct his error in judgement. He asked $29.60 and I paid $29.60. End of story. When I agreed to purchase the banjo and submitted my payment, the banjo has been sold. I am the new owner. The only thing left to do is for the seller to ship my banjo to me. I don't think I'm being unethical by paying the price the seller placed on the item. I think he's being unethical and maybe criminal in withholding my property.


Steve, you still don't get it.  I don't think you are unethical for paying the asking price.  If that banjo was listed for $29.60 with a realistic shipping charge of $60.00 then a person might think the sale was legitimate.  The shipping charge of only $4.60 from Florida is the red flag.  Even a small USPS flat rate box costs $8.10. The last banjo I shipped cost almost $60.00.  I don't appreciate your sarcasm in stating you admire my honorable unwillingness to allow a seller to go out of pocket to complete a sale.  I am not sticking up for the seller.  Quite the opposite.  I think it was probably a scam sale, and the fact you did not get your money back reinforces that belief. Just look up "scam sales" on the Mercari website and read what it says.  Whatever the case, someone used poor judgement.  Either the seller for not figuring out how much it costs to ship a banjo, or you, for thinking someone would actually complete a sale that would cost them twenty five dollars or more. I know you want the banjo and not a refund, but I doubt that will happen.  I hope you will get a refund from Mercari and will not be out of pocket for the money.

Edited by - latigo1 on 11/27/2020 10:35:46

Nov 27, 2020 - 11:07:57 AM

Alex Z

USA

4046 posts since 12/7/2006

"I think he's being unethical and maybe criminal in withholding my property."

That's what a scam means. smiley  "Seller" takes the money, "buyer" gets nothing.  Scammer doesn't care about ethics or crimes or point of transfer of ownership -- he's in the scamming business.  Maybe a judge would care, but you're not in court yet.

If you can get a refund from the website, that's about as good an outcome as one can hope for.

In the con game, the first principle is to get the mark to think that he's getting a big payoff for a small investment.

Nov 27, 2020 - 1:41:09 PM

310 posts since 8/17/2010

Dave, I'm sorry I misunderstood your initial comment. I now understand and appreciate your thoughts.

Nov 27, 2020 - 6:07:17 PM

481 posts since 1/28/2011

I really hope, Steve, that the Mercari website is able to get you a refund from that seller, and that they monitor any of his future activity to determine if fraud is involved.

Nov 27, 2020 - 9:46:36 PM

5853 posts since 9/21/2007

Would you humor the rest of us and post links and or photos of the banjo in question?

Nov 28, 2020 - 7:26:37 PM
likes this
Players Union Member

rvrose

USA

774 posts since 6/29/2007
Online Now

There's and old saying, "If it sounds to good to be true, then it probably is."

Rick

Edited by - rvrose on 11/28/2020 19:26:57

Nov 28, 2020 - 8:28:21 PM

310 posts since 8/17/2010

Joel:

I'm technologically challenged so I can't post photos here. But, if you go the Mercari website and search "Essex and Cammeyter 59 Picadilly, London banjo", you'll see what there is to see.

Nov 28, 2020 - 8:29:12 PM

310 posts since 8/17/2010

Sorry, that should read "Cammeyer".

Nov 28, 2020 - 8:29:55 PM

310 posts since 8/17/2010

Thanks everyone for your input.

Nov 28, 2020 - 8:41:19 PM

56505 posts since 12/14/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Joel Hooks

Would you humor the rest of us and post links and or photos of the banjo in question?


https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m33318310728/?ref=search_results

I just love humoring the rest of us.

Page: 1  2   Last Page (2) 

Hangout Network Help

View All Topics  |  View Categories

0.2226563