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Nov 26, 2020 - 5:10:20 AM

mander

USA

4487 posts since 10/7/2007

The woman I want my son to marry came to work in tears earlier this week. Her grandfather had died of Covid, and her grandmother was expected to soon follow. Her family flew her home to be near them. She is due back on Sunday. I'm a little frustrated with some of the comments of coworkers. They don't want her to come back to work until she's been quarantined for two weeks.

Our store employs over 200 people. Many of these 200 people, including those with concerns, were going to bars and other crowded places until the temporary ban was put into place again. Our store is open to the public. We see a hundred or more people an hour. I think it is a little naïve to believe all the people shopping in our store are 100 per cent germ free. We are being exposed all the time. I don't think I'm any more at risk to work with her after her trip than I was before her trip. She's a clean, tidy person who knows how to wear a mask and wash her hands.

I get not wanting to contract an illness. I don't get pointing fingers and thinking.... oh that person over there, they're dangerous.
Guilty until proven innocent.

Nov 26, 2020 - 6:32:39 AM
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rinemb

USA

12911 posts since 5/24/2005

Presently, i am in self-imposed quarantine, due to a jobsite exposure possibility. Waiting on test results by others. Not sure I will impose a hard 14 days.
Not sure how to respond to your particular concern. Other than, is the company following a posted employ policy? Brad

Nov 26, 2020 - 6:41:31 AM
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Banjo Lefty

Canada

2098 posts since 6/19/2014

Guilty until proven innocent is exactly how you should treat people who do not live with you when it comes to possible COVID exposure. Many who carry and shed the virus are completely asymptomatic and won't even know that they are infecting others. Anybody who travels should quarantine for two weeks before AND after the trip, and get tested at both ends. I know this sounds excessive, even harsh, but there have been more than a quarter of a million deaths so far, and that figure is likely to double if we don't all take these precautions.

Nov 26, 2020 - 6:48:20 AM

slammer

USA

3050 posts since 12/30/2008

Yeah, I get it !!! I understand their concern with her traveling. Check your state travel restrictions and recommendations for the state she travelled to. There are some states that do recommend a post travel quarantine.
I myself wouldn’t worry too much about it knowing she is a clean and conscious person, but it’s not her you have to worry about. It’s the other travelers and contacts that are not clean and careful.
It’s all about common sense. Problem is, there are too many idiots out there that don’t care or have a clue !!!
Even the experts don’t have a clue. Working in the hospital , the rules are changing every damn days and it’s sooooo frustrating and 90 % of is is Bull$hit!!!
Sorry to hear about her Grandparents!!! This just sucks all the way around!!!
Slammer!!!

Nov 26, 2020 - 6:50:10 AM
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DC5

USA

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If she lived in Massachusetts, and many other states she would be required by law to self quarantine for 14 days or produce 2 negative Covid tests within 5 days of each other. Though I think your co-workers are hypocrites for going to bars and taking other risky actions, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask this woman to quarantine for 14 days. If I went to visit a relative dying of Covid, or knowingly had contact with someone with Covid, I would do that without being told to.

Nov 26, 2020 - 7:07:27 AM

Owen

Canada

7491 posts since 6/5/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Banjo Lefty

<snip>   I know this sounds excessive, even harsh, but there have been more than a quarter of a million deaths so far, and that figure is likely to double if we don't all take these precautions.


My wife and I are both considered high risk.  I think doubling the death count would be a reasonable trade -off.    However, I don't see that the counter-measures necessarily have to be all-or nothing.  

Nov 26, 2020 - 8:41:09 AM

Banjo Lefty

Canada

2098 posts since 6/19/2014

quote:
Originally posted by Owen
quote:
Originally posted by Banjo Lefty

   I know this sounds excessive, even harsh, but there have been more than a quarter of a million deaths so far, and that figure is likely to double if we don't all take these precautions.


My wife and I are both considered high risk.  I think doubling the death count would be a reasonable trade -off.    However, I don't see that the counter-measures necessarily have to be all-or nothing.  


Just as long as it's not you or anybody you care about, right?

Nov 26, 2020 - 8:57:27 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

25364 posts since 8/3/2003

I'll play devil's advocate on this one. My daughter is an "essential worker" and must work at a retail facility where people come in from all parts of the world: vacationers, truck drivers, locals, not so locals. She's around people with and without masks all the time. She wears a mask and constantly sanitizes her work area and other areas where people have been handling merchandise. So should she have to quarantine every time she goes to work? That would be dumb. She has to come back day after day and hope she stays healthy. So far, so good.

The lady we're talking about has been around people all the time at work who "might" have the virus. Going somewhere on a plane, wearing a mask, being careful to wash your hands is the best you can hope for. She should not be penalized because she went to see her loved one before they died (if she's even allowed to see them). It's up to management, not the employees, whether she needs to be tested before returning or quarantine or just show up on her next work day with a mask and go on about her work.

I don't believe in the guilty until proven innocent in this case. The lady will probably be very careful both on the plane and around her loved ones and she no more likely to contract the virus than she is at work. If her loved one is in the hospital, she probably won't even be allowed near her, but can see her family. The family probably isn't able to visit the patient in the hospital, either, so the chance of catching the virus is no worse than going to the store or a restaurant or a bar.

Just my 2 cents, for what it's worth.

Nov 26, 2020 - 9:21:28 AM

Owen

Canada

7491 posts since 6/5/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Banjo Lefty
<snip> Just as long as it's not you or anybody you care about, right?

No, Lefty you are 100% dead wrong about that [pun intended]. 

Like I said, my wife and I are both high(er) risk as are a high proportion of my family and friends.  I'll take a reasonable (?) outlook over the still 'way too prevalent one that has it that if one comes within __"x"__ distance of a Covid virus, he/she will get infected and he/she will die... no if-ands-or-buts about it. 

I try to do my bit, but I figure when my number's up, it's up.... ditto for people I "care about."   yes

Nov 26, 2020 - 10:00:36 AM

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Owen, when my number is up I'd prefer not to be choking and gasping for air.

Nov 26, 2020 - 10:23:56 AM

Owen

Canada

7491 posts since 6/5/2011

quote:
Originally posted by Cornflake

Owen, when my number is up I'd prefer not to be choking and gasping for air.


With that in mind, my wife and I have discussed whether, should one of us contract it,  we'd prefer to "ride it out at home" or be put into a situation where we are kept apart at a time when that could do more harm than good.   [I suspect if push came to shove we might, reluctantly choose the latter.... but so far we've decided to "play it by ear."]

What percentage of the people who do contract covid end up choking and gasping for air? 

I wonder how power-of-attorney and a health directive and MAID play into this.    [.... we'll probably play this by ear, too... at least for the time being.]

Edit: Given my druthers, I'd also "prefer" not to die from some form of Cancer, or bleeding to death pinned under a rolled-over vehicle, or from flesh-eating disease, or from wasting away in a nursing home, or............. 

Edited by - Owen on 11/26/2020 10:37:15

Nov 26, 2020 - 10:26:45 AM
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rinemb

USA

12911 posts since 5/24/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Cornflake

Owen, when my number is up I'd prefer not to be choking and gasping for air.


I hope you are not impying you have the infection, and a rough time of it.  If you are, I wish you a speedy and full recovery.  Brad

Nov 26, 2020 - 11:30:28 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

25364 posts since 8/3/2003

I've seen both sides of the Covid disease. My back door neighbors both contracted it. They're in their 60s. They quarantined at home, ate healthy meals, exercised and stayed away from family and friends for 14 days. For them, it was a mild case and no bad effects, headache, fever for a couple of days and then nothing. Another friend nearly died from it. She was hospitalized and spent nearly a week on a ventilator and over 2 weeks in the hospital. She is now home and convalescing and is going to live. She was in her 70s and had several underlying health conditions. Another person I know got it, died from it within a week. He was in his 80s and in a nursing home.

So, I guess it depends on who you are, what your health is, what your age is and whether it's your time or not.

I don't intend to get in line for the vaccine. I intend to wait and see how it goes, let those who really need it get it and see how they fare and then, when all the tests are in and any necessary changes have been made, then I'll think about getting the vaccine. Until then, I'll continue to be a recluse and only go out when I have to and wear a mask and try to keep my distance from anyone who isn't wearing one.

Nov 26, 2020 - 11:43:43 AM

mander

USA

4487 posts since 10/7/2007

quote:
Originally posted by slammer


Sorry to hear about her Grandparents!!! This just sucks all the way around!!!
Slammer!!!


Thank you. She is clearly heart broken.

Nov 26, 2020 - 11:46:37 AM

mander

USA

4487 posts since 10/7/2007

quote:

Edit: Given my druthers, I'd also "prefer" not to die from some form of Cancer, or bleeding to death pinned under a rolled-over vehicle, or from flesh-eating disease, or from wasting away in a nursing home, or............. 


Right? There are a zillion ways I DO NOT want to die. So far, I have yet to decide on the way I DO want to go, so, it's simple, really, I just won't. I totally refuse to die, so there. :-)

Nov 26, 2020 - 3:00:32 PM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

25364 posts since 8/3/2003

quote:
Originally posted by mander
quote:

Edit: Given my druthers, I'd also "prefer" not to die from some form of Cancer, or bleeding to death pinned under a rolled-over vehicle, or from flesh-eating disease, or from wasting away in a nursing home, or............. 


Right? There are a zillion ways I DO NOT want to die. So far, I have yet to decide on the way I DO want to go, so, it's simple, really, I just won't. I totally refuse to die, so there. :-)


When my time comes, if I have my druthers, I'd prefer to go to sleep one night and just not wake up.  Unfortunately, we don't have the ability to predict when our time is near.

Nov 26, 2020 - 3:36:22 PM

slammer

USA

3050 posts since 12/30/2008

Not to change the subject, but, why hasn’t your son married this girl yet???
She sounds like a sweetheart!!! My heart goes out to her too, and the worst part is.................I’m a Grandparent Too!!!
Slammer!!!

Nov 26, 2020 - 4:12:02 PM

2652 posts since 4/22/2018

quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo


When my time comes, if I have my druthers, I'd prefer to go to sleep one night and just not wake up.  Unfortunately, we don't have the ability to predict when our time is near.


I agree, I'd like to go peacefully in my sleep - just like my grandpa.... Admittedly the four passengers in his taxi cab didn't find the experience entirely cathartic, but I understand from their therapists that they are slowly coming to terms with the whole experience.

Nov 27, 2020 - 1:00:30 AM
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phb

Germany

2362 posts since 11/8/2010

quote:
Originally posted by slammer

Not to change the subject, but, why hasn’t your son married this girl yet???


We still need a plot to get rid of the other guy.

Nov 27, 2020 - 6:05:46 AM
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DC5

USA

16054 posts since 6/30/2015
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quote:
Originally posted by mander
quote:

Edit: Given my druthers, I'd also "prefer" not to die from some form of Cancer, or bleeding to death pinned under a rolled-over vehicle, or from flesh-eating disease, or from wasting away in a nursing home, or............. 


Right? There are a zillion ways I DO NOT want to die. So far, I have yet to decide on the way I DO want to go, so, it's simple, really, I just won't. I totally refuse to die, so there. :-)


I want to be shot by a jealous husband on my 100th birthday.

Nov 27, 2020 - 6:09:04 AM
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rinemb

USA

12911 posts since 5/24/2005

quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by mander
quote:

Edit: Given my druthers, I'd also "prefer" not to die from some form of Cancer, or bleeding to death pinned under a rolled-over vehicle, or from flesh-eating disease, or from wasting away in a nursing home, or............. 


Right? There are a zillion ways I DO NOT want to die. So far, I have yet to decide on the way I DO want to go, so, it's simple, really, I just won't. I totally refuse to die, so there. :-)


I want to be shot by a jealous husband on my 100th birthday.


A lofty goal, for sure!  Brad

Nov 27, 2020 - 11:04:11 AM

2652 posts since 4/22/2018

quote:
Originally posted by DC5
quote:
Originally posted by mander
quote:

Edit: Given my druthers, I'd also "prefer" not to die from some form of Cancer, or bleeding to death pinned under a rolled-over vehicle, or from flesh-eating disease, or from wasting away in a nursing home, or............. 


Right? There are a zillion ways I DO NOT want to die. So far, I have yet to decide on the way I DO want to go, so, it's simple, really, I just won't. I totally refuse to die, so there. :-)


I want to be shot by a jealous husband on my 100th birthday.


Whilst in bed with his 20myears old wife smiley

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