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Nov 19, 2020 - 1:06:30 PM
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Doc told me to rub this stuff on my arthritic LEFT thumb and wrist.
Instructions say not to wash it off for at least an hour.
SO--- Rather than rub it on with my RIGHT hand, and have that stuff on my right several fingers for an hour, I use a pastry brush from the Dollar Store.

Nov 19, 2020 - 1:41:45 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

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24241 posts since 6/25/2005

A disposable glove also works. Sounds like Voltaren instructions.

Nov 19, 2020 - 2:07:31 PM

chuckv97

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Good idea.  Avoid the nightshade vegetables,  Mike - potatoes, tomatoes, bell peppers, & eggplant. I also take turmeric,,,it eases inflammation. (I’m only an advice-giving banjo picker, tho)

Edited by - chuckv97 on 11/19/2020 14:08:25

Nov 19, 2020 - 4:55:03 PM

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Using a disposable glove, and then adding it into the landfill, a couple times a day, seems like it might be harmful to the planet.

Nov 19, 2020 - 5:22:21 PM
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Owen

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No expertise in either medicine or banjo "playing".... but that hasn't stopped me before.... 

So far, I haven't found any food or foodstuff that has made any noticeable diff to my arthritis, either good or bad, and I've found no OTC concoction [internal or external] that even seems to help.    I hope YMMV.

My main use for disposable gloves  is working with fiberglass resin.   Being environmentally conscious... at least on the disposal end... I recycle them in the back-yard burning barrel.  yes

Nov 19, 2020 - 5:53:33 PM

chuckv97

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quote:
Originally posted by Owen

No expertise in either medicine or banjo "playing".... but that hasn't stopped me before.... 

So far, I haven't found any food or foodstuff that has made any noticeable diff to my arthritis, either good or bad, and I've found no OTC concoction [internal or external] that even seems to help.    I hope YMMV.

My main use for disposable gloves  is working with fiberglass resin.   Being environmentally conscious... at least on the disposal end... I recycle them in the back-yard burning barrel.  yes


I have found that avoiding the night shades has helped my Arthur-eye-Tis considerably ,,,, but you know what I always say, doncha..? - it works cuz I BELIEVE it works. ( the mind is a powerful thing)

Nov 19, 2020 - 6:03:14 PM

bubbalouie

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quote:
Originally posted by Bill Rogers

A disposable glove also works. Sounds like Voltaren instructions.


What is this mystery salve? I learned a long time ago not to rub Heat Lineament into the BACK of your sore knee.

That is the armpit of your leg. Trying to wash it off in the shower only makes it worse!

Nov 20, 2020 - 5:00:10 AM
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rinemb

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12865 posts since 5/24/2005

Just remember the working with hot peppers rule: Do not take a pee after putting on heat rubs. Brad

Nov 20, 2020 - 6:06:04 AM
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wizofos

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5773 posts since 8/19/2012

Mike, Your best place to get gloves is Harbor Freight, they sell boxes of 100. I keep a box of them around for staining wood or anything that is messy. You can also find 20% discount coupons for HF purchases.   I don't know what the doc prescribed but I agree that I don't like Voltarine, it is greasy and takes forever to be absorbed. It is a gel instead of a cream not sure if that makes a difference but that is my experience. 

I have found that the most relief comes from hot water or hot you can do hot wax treatments.

I have given up on using Voltarine but She found the stuff in the second link and it works pretty good. I have to use it all over both hands and should be using it on my knees.

https://www.harborfreight.com/3-mil-nitrile-powder-free-gloves-medium-100-pc-68490.html

https://hempvana.com/

Nov 20, 2020 - 7:29:14 AM
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I too suffer from hereditary arthritis , have done for years and I wear a copper bracelet always, it sure helps me but, again, the mind is a powerful thing !

Nov 20, 2020 - 7:51:30 AM

Owen

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'Way back.... before many of today's products had been developed, I suspect.... a pharmacist told me that the rubbing and tissue manipulation provided the benefit..... the cream/lotion/potion (?) didn't matter all that much.

Re. the power of the mind and placebos and stuff like that, would it be possible for  "us,"  re. our present dilemma, to achieve immunity, either individually or herd [if that's still a "thing"] .... via that method?  If so, why?   If not, why not?

Nov 20, 2020 - 7:53:19 AM

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If copper works, a piece of uninsulated wire should have the same effect as a store-bought bracelet.
Having grown up with 7 sisters, I do know how to braid, so I could braid 3, smack 'em with a hammer, and have a reasonably flat wristband.

And, some of you guessed right.
It is Voltaren gel.

Nov 20, 2020 - 11:56:44 AM

kww

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quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory

If copper works, a piece of uninsulated wire should have the same effect as a store-bought bracelet.
Having grown up with 7 sisters, I do know how to braid, so I could braid 3, smack 'em with a hammer, and have a reasonably flat wristband.

And, some of you guessed right.
It is Voltaren gel.


Hope you get better results than anyone I've ever heard of got.

Edited by - kww on 11/20/2020 11:57:01

Nov 20, 2020 - 12:17:21 PM
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WesB

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quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory

If copper works, a piece of uninsulated wire should have the same effect as a store-bought bracelet.
Having grown up with 7 sisters, I do know how to braid, so I could braid 3, smack 'em with a hammer, and have a reasonably flat wristband.

And, some of you guessed right.
It is Voltaren gel.


Mike, that reminds me of the old song, "Take Back Your Golden Garters...... My egs are Turning Green."

Nov 20, 2020 - 12:24:44 PM

chuckv97

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quote:
Originally posted by Owen

'Way back.... before many of today's products had been developed, I suspect.... a pharmacist told me that the rubbing and tissue manipulation provided the benefit..... the cream/lotion/potion (?) didn't matter all that much.

Re. the power of the mind and placebos and stuff like that, would it be possible for  "us,"  re. our present dilemma, to achieve immunity, either individually or herd [if that's still a "thing"] .... via that method?  If so, why?   If not, why not?


It will definitely boost your immune system, imhio. (in my humble informed opinion) . 
And cynicism will defeat you, doancha know. 

Nov 20, 2020 - 2:00:22 PM

Owen

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... but, I figure "healthy skepticism" is called that for a reason.  In this instance it was a straightforward, legetimate query.  Doesn't there have to be  a limit to what a powerful mind can accomplish?   Can the harnessing of the necessary power/energy/etc./??? be learned?   Is it a matter of a wholesale switch, or just moving a bit [maybe a significant bit] further along a continuum? 

Nov 20, 2020 - 2:57:37 PM
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rinemb

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quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory

If copper works, a piece of uninsulated wire should have the same effect as a store-bought bracelet.
Having grown up with 7 sisters, I do know how to braid, so I could braid 3, smack 'em with a hammer, and have a reasonably flat wristband.

And, some of you guessed right.
It is Voltaren gel.


The way I twist heavy wire for bangles/bracelets, is to select my two-three thick wires, cut about a foot of each. bundle them. put one end in a vice, put the other end secured in an electric drill.  with low speed twisted but not kinking.  cut to length you need. solder ends for a cuff and wrap around a round object.  for a bracelot solder both ends together,  clean up with file.  hammer to slightly flat if desired. buff.  I often use a mix of brass with copper wire.  Brad

Nov 20, 2020 - 3:03:24 PM
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rinemb

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12865 posts since 5/24/2005

quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory

If copper works, a piece of uninsulated wire should have the same effect as a store-bought bracelet.
Having grown up with 7 sisters, I do know how to braid, so I could braid 3, smack 'em with a hammer, and have a reasonably flat wristband.

And, some of you guessed right.
It is Voltaren gel.


Or solder about 12 or more pennies together slightly overlapping.  Mike, use pennies of your birth year or important birth years.  AFter fully cooled very gently wrap around a bat or rolling pin etc.  If you are lucky, all solders will hold.  pennies will be annealed/softened a bit from soldering.  Easier to make a cuff with about an nch gap. Brad   BTW, dont try this with new pennies!

Nov 20, 2020 - 4:08:38 PM
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RV6

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I've used a "Therabath" hot wax machine since my shattered left wrist surgery and also developing a case of CRPS in 2011.   It worked very well.   My wife also uses it on occasion due to arthritis.  The pain relief lasted 4 or 5 hours after use.  

I've not used the hot wax bath for several months since I followed the advice of an old, long time, expert wood carver friend of mine who's hads finally gave up on him and, he, on wood carving.   He recommended a teaspoon of Turmeric, daily, and I've been using it since.   It works for me.  My left hand/wrist/ fingers are working well.    I started the regime about a half of a year after starting to learn the fiddle.   I was having some problems with the fiddle but those probems are now a thing of the past.

I don't care if it's a "mind" thing or not.   I do know that I will continue to use it until ---- the end of (my) time.  

Nov 20, 2020 - 4:19:01 PM
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chuckv97

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quote:
Originally posted by Owen

... but, I figure "healthy skepticism" is called that for a reason.  In this instance it was a straightforward, legetimate query.  Doesn't there have to be  a limit to what a powerful mind can accomplish?   Can the harnessing of the necessary power/energy/etc./??? be learned?   Is it a matter of a wholesale switch, or just moving a bit [maybe a significant bit] further along a continuum? 


It is an acquired skill over time (so I've been told) ,,,you have to lose your (un)healthy skepticism which doesn't happen overnight.  I'm no ME , but I believe a positive "can-do" mind can accomplish a hey of a lot. Of course there is the healing factor of certain ingredients in certain foods and substances,,,this is usually anecdotal but a doubting mindset gets you zilch results. Thank you fer liss'nin'. 

Nov 20, 2020 - 5:19:15 PM
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Owen

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Fwiw, I'm still a wee bit "might as well try it, it' s not gonna hurt anything," but I used to be 'way more that way inclined.  However, it seems to me there would have to be some initial success to kickstart the process of acquiring.... unless willpower/positive thinking (?) can facilitate that as well.   

Otoh, I've had several maladies that, after looking like they were with me "until death do us part" inexplicably disappeared.  About 30 years ago, upon first getting up in the a.m.,  because of wonky knees, I could barely hobble down the stairs ...had to do it very gingerly while holding both handrails,  although after several minutes things got worked-in (?) enough that I'd make it thru the day okay.  Glucosamine/chondroitin, a prescription drug the name I've forgotten, turmeric, some physio, some other "stuff" I've forgotten.... ALL approached  with ^^ mindset, and .... zippo, nada, zilch.  After a couple of years, the condition somehow corrected itself... after I'd essentially resigned myself to just having to live with it.  Same type of experience with arthritic shoulders.

Enough drivel about me.  Dunno whether it's "Time heals all wounds," or "Time wounds all heels."

Nov 21, 2020 - 5:57:09 AM
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wizofos

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5773 posts since 8/19/2012

I agree with Bob on the wax therapy, but you can buy a small 4 quart crock pot for about $10 and they last longer than the Therabath unit. I had the same experience as he did after breaking a wrist and physical therapist used hot wax to warm up the joint prior to manipulating it. You can get the wax at most drug stores. After about a week of daily use  your skin will be soft and smooth. Be careful if you have open sores, cuts or rashes.

https://www.healthcentral.com/article/hot-wax-treatments-benefit-arthritic-hands

Nov 21, 2020 - 6:34:03 AM

RV6

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1392 posts since 2/3/2012

quote:
Originally posted by wizofos

I agree with Bob on the wax therapy, but you can buy a small 4 quart crock pot for about $10 and they last longer than the Therabath unit. I had the same experience as he did after breaking a wrist and physical therapist used hot wax to warm up the joint prior to manipulating it. You can get the wax at most drug stores. After about a week of daily use  your skin will be soft and smooth. Be careful if you have open sores, cuts or rashes.

https://www.healthcentral.com/article/hot-wax-treatments-benefit-arthritic-hands


Dang, I never gave crock pots a thought.  I may lose my "tinkerer/experimenter" license.

Do you leave it on all the time?  Do you check the temperature on an ongoing basis?  You wouldn't want to "dip" if the wax is too hot.

I bought Therabath  in 2012 and it's been plugged in since except when we are gone for several days.  The "Therabath" is around $190.00 now and, before I discovered that Turmeric worked pretty well for me, I would have bought another if my first one conked out.  Now, if it conks out, I'll buy a crock pot if I think I still need to hot wax!

Nov 21, 2020 - 7:07:38 AM
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wizofos

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quote:
Originally posted by RV6
quote:
Originally posted by wizofos

I agree with Bob on the wax therapy, but you can buy a small 4 quart crock pot for about $10 and they last longer than the Therabath unit. I had the same experience as he did after breaking a wrist and physical therapist used hot wax to warm up the joint prior to manipulating it. You can get the wax at most drug stores. After about a week of daily use  your skin will be soft and smooth. Be careful if you have open sores, cuts or rashes.

https://www.healthcentral.com/article/hot-wax-treatments-benefit-arthritic-hands


Dang, I never gave crock pots a thought.  I may lose my "tinkerer/experimenter" license.

Do you leave it on all the time?  Do you check the temperature on an ongoing basis?  You wouldn't want to "dip" if the wax is too hot.

I bought Therabath  in 2012 and it's been plugged in since except when we are gone for several days.  The "Therabath" is around $190.00 now and, before I discovered that Turmeric worked pretty well for me, I would have bought another if my first one conked out.  Now, if it conks out, I'll buy a crock pot if I think I still need to hot wax!


I have not used the wax for a few years. I take some pretty strong prescription NSAIDs (Meloxicam) and am pre-diabetic and just have not had the time to do the wax thing. Most crock pots get up to about 190f on low which is too hot to dip but I used to turn it on and as soon as the wax melted at about 110f I would dip my hand then turn the crock pot off.  I have wondered if I could jigger the crock pot thermostat to shut down at about 125f which is the top for hand dipping.

One reason I have stopped is that you can't get all the wax off your hands and if you are working with woods you can stain the wood.  Don't want to permanently stain an expensive piece of black walnut.

Nov 21, 2020 - 5:32:18 PM
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chuckv97

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quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97
quote:
Originally posted by Owen

No expertise in either medicine or banjo "playing".... but that hasn't stopped me before.... 

So far, I haven't found any food or foodstuff that has made any noticeable diff to my arthritis, either good or bad, and I've found no OTC concoction [internal or external] that even seems to help.    I hope YMMV.

My main use for disposable gloves  is working with fiberglass resin.   Being environmentally conscious... at least on the disposal end... I recycle them in the back-yard burning barrel.  yes


I have found that avoiding the night shades has helped my Arthur-eye-Tis considerably ,,,, but you know what I always say, doncha..? - it works cuz I BELIEVE it works. ( the mind is a powerful thing)


Oh yeah,,,forgot to mention tart Cherry juice, apple cider vinegar, magnesium oil, magnetic bracelet, NovaJoint capsules, omega-3 gelcaps, and ....so on & so forth...

Nov 21, 2020 - 5:41:48 PM
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Owen

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...I'll see your ^^^, and raise you a bologna sandwich, fries w/gravy,  a piece of raisin pie a la mode and a medium chocolate shake!!   cheeky

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