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Nov 14, 2020 - 1:32:02 PM

QldPicker

Australia

182 posts since 4/17/2020

Are Grover Planetary Tuning Pegs any good?
According to their website the tuners are identified 119-123 series.
What do the numbers signify?

https://grotro.com/product-category/brands/grover/

Are these manufactured in The USA?
Curious, as Grover appear to be associated with banjos for a very long time.

Edited by - QldPicker on 11/14/2020 14:02:02

Nov 14, 2020 - 1:36:35 PM
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wizofos

USA

5773 posts since 8/19/2012

I don't know about planetary tuners but I use Grover guitar tuners on back packer guitars, just ordered a set from Musicmakers in Stillwater, Minnesota.

Nov 14, 2020 - 6:36:26 PM
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I believe it's at least "possible" the newest generation of Grovers aren't made in the US.  That doesn't make 'em bad, just different.  Most think the best banjo tuners now are Gotohs from Japan.  I found one reference on a guitar website in 2015 saying Grover tuners were made in Taiwan and then mainland China.  Don't know how accurate that is.

However, Grover was never particularly known for PLANETARY tuners.   Ludwig made the leading planetary tuners for old banjos -- they were bought out by Stew Mac I believe and renamed 5 Star Planets

Edited by - The Old Timer on 11/14/2020 18:41:01

Nov 14, 2020 - 7:56:08 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

24241 posts since 6/25/2005

The 5-Star Planets developed from the original Ode planetary gears, though they took their name from the Ludwigs, and were copies of the Odes, rather than being made by the same machine shops and newly branded. The Ode tuners were not labeled.

Nov 16, 2020 - 6:10:06 PM

11000 posts since 10/27/2006

quote:
Originally posted by QldPicker

Are Grover Planetary Tuning Pegs any good?
According to their website the tuners are identified 119-123 series.
What do the numbers signify?

https://grotro.com/product-category/brands/grover/

Are these manufactured in The USA?
Curious, as Grover appear to be associated with banjos for a very long time.


These haven't been made in the USA for decades.

As to who the actual manufacturer—can be anyone. They come on a number of inexpensive banjos nowadays.

The numbers decribe the knobs and the number of tuners in each set — 4 or 5.

The current 162 geared 5th looks like a PING or a copy of a GOTOH. It's ok.

 

The old USA 162 geared 5th peg was very good but took a #3 wood screw to install. The trick was to use some grease on the screw shaft as it was also a bearing surface. My Vega Pete Seeger has one and it works great. When Grover had those made in Asia, they included a #2 wood screw instead — secured the tuner ok but was the wrong size causing the gears to be slightly misaligned. Felt wrong because it was wrong.

#3 wood screws are very hard to find — unless you know that Fender uses these to secure the pickup covers on a Jazzmaster and they're nickel plated — and they're easy to order from Fender. Snip about 5/16" off the end, grease the shafts and they work perfectly.

 

Edited by - mikehalloran on 11/16/2020 18:13:56

Nov 16, 2020 - 6:17:07 PM

QldPicker

Australia

182 posts since 4/17/2020

quote:

These haven't been made in the USA for decades.

As to who the actual manufacturer—can be anyone. They come on a number of inexpensive banjos nowadays.

The numbers decribe the knobs and the number of tuners in each set — 4 or 5.

The current 162 geared 5th looks like a PING or a copy of a GOTOH. It's ok.

 

The old USA 162 geared 5th peg was very good but took a #3 wood screw to install. The trick was to use some grease on the screw shaft as it was also a bearing surface. My Vega Pete Seeger has one and it works great. When Grover had those made in Asia, they included a #2 wood screw instead — secured the tuner ok but was the wrong size causing the gears to be slightly misaligned. Felt wrong because it was wrong.

#3 wood screws are very hard to find — unless you know that Fender uses these to secure the pickup covers on a Jazzmaster and they're nickel plated — and they're easy to order from Fender. Snip about 5/16" off the end, grease the shafts and they work perfectly.

 



Thanks for the informative reply!

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