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Oct 31, 2020 - 8:05:03 AM
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13448 posts since 10/30/2008

This just got posted on FB this morning. I've never heard it! Check out Earl's interpretation!!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=bwiTmplSvQ...22M0wQCyQ

Oct 31, 2020 - 8:12:04 AM
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corcoran

Canada

399 posts since 8/3/2004

Wow, Earl was sure cooking on this, with interesting backup and a novel (for him) tag. His playing is still full of surprises nearly 70 years after this was recorded.

Oct 31, 2020 - 8:24:55 AM
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RioStat

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5305 posts since 10/12/2009

Nice! I've often wondered if there was a recording of Earl playing this tune.

There's a tab for Pretty Polly in the Scruggs book, don't know how much the two match up.

The book does say G modal tuning, gDGCD, and it is one of just a couple tabs in the Scruggs book that does not reference a specific recording.

Oct 31, 2020 - 9:25:52 AM

phb

Germany

2156 posts since 11/8/2010

quote:
Originally posted by RioStat

Nice! I've often wondered if there was a recording of Earl playing this tune.

There's a tab for Pretty Polly in the Scruggs book, don't know how much the two match up.

The book does say G modal tuning, gDGCD, and it is one of just a couple tabs in the Scruggs book that does not reference a specific recording.


Even more interestingly Earl writes this in his book (revised edition, p. 79):

"Two tunes in the Song Section [Pretty Polly and Ground Hog] have no sound source listed because I have never recorded them."

Since we all know that Earl couldn't read nor write tablature, who transcribed these songs for the book? From which source? Are they in the original book?

Oct 31, 2020 - 9:57:29 AM
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2719 posts since 11/15/2003

In regards to Earl's book, if your referring to his earl Scruggs and the 5 string banjo...

Much of the tab was with the help of bill Keith..that is my understanding,

One should note..
Or I will say..
By the time earl got around to doing this book...what was being transcribed is earl and how he played then as a wore out 40 year old, and many of the tabbed songs in the book.
Are not the way he originally recorded many of his famous breaks and instrumentals..

I absolutely, positively guarentee you..the earl scruggs in that book, is not the earl scruggs that
Sonny, and jd, or any other 2nd generation learned from...they got it right by slowing the records down..and going to see the man.

It is note worthy that the book was for making money, and inspiring one to play, not correctness of tab!

Warp!

Oct 31, 2020 - 11:18:13 AM

chuckv97

Canada

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Can’t recall any other tune that Earl played in that pentatonic/modal style.

Edited by - chuckv97 on 10/31/2020 11:21:32

Oct 31, 2020 - 11:55:24 AM
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13448 posts since 10/30/2008

Sure as shootin', a FaceBook friend just posted this audio of DON RENO playing PP.  Listen especially to his high break starting 1:23.

youtube.com/watch?v=i7poF5-hpM...EV5-1UnJQ

Edited by - The Old Timer on 10/31/2020 11:58:19

Nov 2, 2020 - 3:22:55 AM

phb

Germany

2156 posts since 11/8/2010

quote:
Originally posted by warpdrive

In regards to Earl's book, if your referring to his earl Scruggs and the 5 string banjo...

Much of the tab was with the help of bill Keith..that is my understanding,


Yes, I know but for the 2nd edition Keith's tabs were replaced by different ones that are meant to be more precise but in reality are just overcomplicated (probably more to prove they were not Keith's transcriptions but something new than to help anybody trying to learn to play). I never used any of the tabs. I don't know the 1st edition of the book so I can't tell whether the same songs were transcribed for the original as in the revised edition and whether the new tabs were transcribed from the same bootleg recordings. In any case, it is still quite a surprise to find any transcriptions of songs Earl never recorded. I doubt anyone just saw or heard him play them and then wrote the tabs down, hence, there must have been some bootleg recordings of live presentations from which these two songs were transcribed. Did Keith transcribe them already for the original edition? From what source did the new (unknown?) transcriber re-transcribe them? It is also remarkable that Earl wanted them included in the book even though there was no record to sell connected to these to songs. He did have a lot of other material. Was it just because Keith happened to have them transcribed?

Nov 2, 2020 - 3:57 AM
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Hey phillip,
I believe the short answer for transcriptions not of or ever know to be recorded or played by earl is....
The transcribers opnion based on his translation of how scruggs played,or would have played it..
He's guessing.....and this still happens today with many scruggs lick teachers...

Bill keith was a very talented banjo picker, one of the founding fathers of melodics...but no one would ever mistake him for a scruggs style picker.

Many many liberties have been taken in Earl's name with teaching Scruggs banjo, I degress...
There is a huge difference in scruggs style banjo and three finger bluegrass banjo,
Much like the hot tub
Jacuzzi...
All jacuzzis, are hot tubes, but not all hot tubes are jacuzzi,

I personally dont know any self taught scruggs book players that have went on to some sort of note worthy mentioning,..
The book is not ment to be a bible...the end all to be all, it can't be when scruggs himself could not remember or pick the way he recorded much of the material. Some 18 years later,..he had injuries, and health issues, and one only need listen to the original foggy mt breakdown, dear old Dixie , all the mercury session material..that was the earl scruggs that inspired sonny and jd, not the Beverly hillbillies era earl...that era, and his book..that was just great marketing....

Good to hear from you phillip..

Warp!

Nov 2, 2020 - 4:08:32 AM

5869 posts since 9/5/2006

that little descending run earl does up the neck is a treat !

dons version is cool as hell, esp the clawhammer,, did anyone notice the tailpiece on his banjo in the picture on that sound track? 

Edited by - 1935tb-11 on 11/02/2020 04:11:58

Nov 2, 2020 - 4:38:39 AM

phb

Germany

2156 posts since 11/8/2010

quote:
Originally posted by warpdrive

The book is not ment to be a bible...the end all to be all, it can't be when scruggs himself could not remember or pick the way he recorded much of the material.

Good point, the way Keith described the process he brought the tabs to Earl's house, sat down and played the tabs for Earl. Earl would then agree or make some comments. Earl certainly didn't know how he had played a tune on a recording, he could just tell whether he might have played something like this or rather not. And we still couldn't be sure he was right about it because even the best players do stuff they don't know about themselves.

 

his book..that was just great marketing....


Well, the good parts of the books are the ones where Earl tells his story. If one like to learn from tabs, there are better tabs of the same recordings.

Nov 2, 2020 - 9:21:02 AM

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One of the FMBs weirdest takes on this tune. It doesn’t sound modal to me but oddly placed between minor and major at the same time. It’s the only version of PP I ever heard in which her doom is never mentioned. Strange indeed.

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