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Oct 24, 2020 - 12:36:30 PM
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665 posts since 2/14/2007

I had a request to use Ben's famous Rider lick in another song.


Oct 24, 2020 - 1:04:52 PM
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11205 posts since 6/2/2008

"Doing My Time."

Really, you can use it anywhere you have that many beats of G to fill (or "as if" G if you're capoed).

You can probably use it over G in Foggy Mountain Breakdown.

Yes, this lick will not render melody in most places. It doesn't render melody in Rider.  It's just improvisational "G noise."

And that's the point of any "X" noise lick, phrase or vocabulary. You have "N" beats to fill over "X" chord.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdkiEvFYgo

Oct 24, 2020 - 6:33:21 PM
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Yup. Anywhere you have 8 beats of the I chord and it will work.
 
Randy
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Originally posted by Old Hickory

"Doing My Time."

Really, you can use it anywhere you have that many beats of G to fill (or "as if" G if you're capoed).

You can probably use it over G in Foggy Mountain Breakdown.

Yes, this lick will not render melody in most places. It doesn't render melody in Rider.  It's just improvisational "G noise."

And that's the point of any "X" noise lick, phrase or vocabulary. You have "N" beats to fill over "X" chord.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szdkiEvFYgo


Oct 24, 2020 - 9:47:52 PM

2683 posts since 4/19/2008

Well I'm going to have to disagree, this lick is the typical train sounding lick which uses flat 3rds and 7ths giving a 7th chord flavor. Orange Blossom Special would be one option for sure.

Oct 26, 2020 - 10:01:53 AM
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Well, sure, the flat 3rds and 7ths make it fit or sound better in some places than others. And it may sound downright bad in some situations. That's a subjective judgment.

But my larger point is rather than people asking where to use this lick (or any lick), they could serve themselves better by thinking about the modular nature of bluegrass banjo, determining how many beats this lick fills, finding where they have that many beats to fill with G noise in other songs, and experimenting.

What's the down-side of playing a lick where it doesn't quite fit? You'll sound bad for 5 seconds at a jam? Every lick is a learning opportunity.  That's how you learn.

Oct 26, 2020 - 1:22:44 PM

2326 posts since 4/5/2006

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Originally posted by Old Hickory

Well, sure, the flat 3rds and 7ths make it fit or sound better in some places than others. And it may sound downright bad in some situations. That's a subjective judgment.

But my larger point is rather than people asking where to use this lick (or any lick), they could serve themselves better by thinking about the modular nature of bluegrass banjo, determining how many beats this lick fills, finding where they have that many beats to fill with G noise in other songs, and experimenting.

What's the down-side of playing a lick where it doesn't quite fit? You'll sound bad for 5 seconds at a jam? Every lick is a learning opportunity.  That's how you learn.


Exactly! Just don't experiment on stage.

Oct 26, 2020 - 2:02:46 PM
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Originally posted by monstertone

Exactly! Just don't experiment on stage.


Uh, oh.

Oct 28, 2020 - 6:46:30 PM
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665 posts since 2/14/2007

In the end, it all comes down to taste. Also, this riff is so famous, you might just consider "quoting" it in places to get a raised eyebrow from fellow banjo players.

Randy

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