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Oct 22, 2020 - 2:58:05 PM

m06

England

9236 posts since 10/5/2006

Actively looking at life and health beyond the virus.

buildbackbetteruk.org

And campaigning for a vision leading to innovation and improvement.

Oct 22, 2020 - 6:36:44 PM
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Owen

Canada

6815 posts since 6/5/2011

... generally good principles... I expect the devil will be in the detail, although I suppose some movement would be better than no movement.

Oct 22, 2020 - 7:59:41 PM
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10340 posts since 2/22/2007

This is nothing but advocacy for using the pandemic to advance a leftist agenda so far resisted by the majority and as pure of a political post as can be imagined.

Oct 22, 2020 - 9:13:53 PM
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10913 posts since 1/15/2005

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Originally posted by banjo bill-e

This is nothing but advocacy for using the pandemic to advance a leftist agenda so far resisted by the majority and as pure of a political post as can be imagined.


Bill, didn't someone say to "never let a crisis go to waste"?

Oct 22, 2020 - 9:22:38 PM
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117 posts since 4/4/2010

Why is it considered "leftist" to advocate for treating other humans with dignity and respect?

Oct 23, 2020 - 12:28:07 AM
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3012 posts since 4/29/2012

quote:
Originally posted by banjo bill-e

This is nothing but advocacy for using the pandemic to advance a leftist agenda so far resisted by the majority and as pure of a political post as can be imagined.


Bill - Why are you so viscerally attached to the status quo or a society that is even more unequal than the current one. You are the guy who recently told us he thought he'd had Covid but had to think twice about providing himself with peace of mind by paying $200 for an antibody test (and decided against). It's not as if you are one of the clear winners in your preferred game. 

And what does "so far resisted by the majority" have to do with anything ? The majority can change  and society follows. Also, I've looked at this link and it could be the pious but meaningless protestations of virtue of any centrist party. As a real live socialist 'leftist' I don't think it even starts to fix things.  

And it's a bit rich that the most frequent originator of political posts here has a problem with this one.

Seems that you have no issues with political discussion, or in this case a link to a  manifesto which lists outcomes but not methods, as long as you agree with the OP and all subsequent posts. As I've said before - There is  a word for somebody (from the left or right ) who tries to supress any opinion except their own. 

Oct 23, 2020 - 1:12:54 AM
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55994 posts since 12/14/2005

I recall hearing about a first-century preacher, Jesus or similar, who went around suggesting that people try be nicer to each other.
Got killed.
Fellow in India, 1940's or thereabouts, Mahatma or something like that, who went around suggesting that people try be nicer to each other.
Got killed.
Irish -American war vet, politician, Kennedy or something like that, who went around suggesting that people try be nicer to each other.
Got killed.
Person Of Colour, Martin somebody, who went around suggesting that people try be nicer to each other.
Got killed.
And now there this entire GROUP of people, over in the UK, who want me to join a group in which I will start going around suggesting that people try be nicer to each other.
Are they trying to get me killed?

I might go around trying to be nice, but I'm not going to suggest it, out loud or on line, that anybody else be any nicer than they already choose to be.

(IN before the LOCK)

Oct 23, 2020 - 4:15:08 AM
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m06

England

9236 posts since 10/5/2006

My interest in posting this was to spark debate about how we can take an active part in lobbying for beneficial change.

Change that was probably likely to happen but which the sudden contingency required by the pandemic has a been a catalyst bringing overnight change to many of the behaviours we have always taken for granted.

Most people that I talk to have been caused to have a major rethink about the way we live and what were previously accepted 'norms'. The enforced contingency we have seen over the last 6 months is a reminder that norms can and do change. And very quickly if the circumstances are right.

I see this as essentially a neutral topic that applies to literally everyone in some way or other. We all have a vested interest in where we live, how we work, where the things we use come from, how we are cared for and how we interact in our leisure time. Beyond any vaccine long-term change due to Covid-19 is inevitable and is going to happen anyway; surely the important part is that us ordinary folks are heard and have a stake in that change and how it impinges on and affects our day to day life and wellbeing?

My connection to Build Back Better is simply through being made aware of it as a Quaker via newsletters and internal emails. Quakers are one of the 80 or so groups of all kinds who are affiliated to and support this initiative.

Edited by - m06 on 10/23/2020 04:29:21

Oct 23, 2020 - 4:37:14 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

25110 posts since 8/3/2003

Political. Locked.

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