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Oct 21, 2020 - 5:25:40 PM

Helix

USA

13095 posts since 8/30/2006
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I have seen the lit

What is kitchen ready and works for you?

Oct 21, 2020 - 5:48:02 PM
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ChunoTheDog

Canada

440 posts since 8/9/2019

93 years of UV light and tobacco smoke seems to give ivoroid buttons a nice tint.

Oct 21, 2020 - 5:56:24 PM
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rcc56

USA

3215 posts since 2/20/2016

My recipe, if I remember right:

1. Wipe buttons lightly with a little acetone on a rag.
2. Wipe again with a weak solution of amber colored alcohol soluble aniline dye, also on a rag.
3. Repeat #2 if necessary while still wet.
4. Walk away and don't monkey for 24 hours.

Not for the kitchen.  no
Hide glue and shellac are classified as food.  wink
Acetone is not.  crying

Edited by - rcc56 on 10/21/2020 17:58:04

Oct 22, 2020 - 1:39:24 AM
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JohnTN

USA

140 posts since 8/8/2012

Two methods that work on the galalith/ivoroid buttons:

  • coffee
  • standard RIT liquid dye

Heating the liquid solution for a couple minutes in the microwave prior to immersion makes the color take much faster, and varying the immersion time and/or the solution concentration yields different results of shading.


Edited by - JohnTN on 10/22/2020 01:40:04

Oct 22, 2020 - 5:53:45 AM

Helix

USA

13095 posts since 8/30/2006
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What color dye

Does anyone know the different plastics used
Galilith is great stuff
Absorption is an issue

Instant Coffee in a wet paste as strong as possible?

I consider tobacco to be burning pain. I don’t have it next to me anymore, I also don’t play in bars anymore

Explain img1871

Oct 22, 2020 - 11:45:49 PM

JohnTN

USA

140 posts since 8/8/2012

IMG_1870 is using coffee, not coffee paste or grounds, just coffee, but pretty strongly mixed. Different shades achieved by using different length of time, and again, heating the solution makes it go much faster. Without heat, the color only took lightly.

  • The first on the left is the original button.
  • The second is immersed in coffee (unheated) for like 24 hours.
  • The third is with heat for four hours. (i.e. heat the solution for 120 seconds then leave the button immersed for four hours, by which time it is cool).
  • The fourth is just repeat step three, heat again and another four hours, to get a darker color still.

IMG_1871 is using RIT liquid dye, just experimenting with different colors to see how it works. Haven't really gotten very far with this, just seeing if it works. The process is the same, with no heat the color took only lightly, but heating the solution made it take much faster. I've been using 0.5 oz dye to 15.5 oz water in a 16 oz glass jar.

  • The first on the left is again the original button.
  • The second is using their color "lemon yellow."
  • The third is using their color "golden yellow," which is similar to the lemon yellow but with a hint of orange. The difference doesn't show up as well in this photo.
  • The fourth is using their color "cherry red." Not sure I'd use this but just tried it to see how well it works.

I want to experiment more with mixing the colors, and maybe mixing the coffee with the yellow dyes, but haven't gotten around to that.

Oct 23, 2020 - 12:07 AM
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JohnTN

USA

140 posts since 8/8/2012

Separately, I've also experimented with coloring the Gotoh plastic tuner buttons, which I am told are ABS plastic. See my media page for several example photos.

For these I use the RIT DyeMore synthetic dye, but there are other brands. The color does not take at room temperature, but must be heated to simmer and kept there until you get the shade you want, typically 1-3 hours. This actually changes the color of the plastic surface and the result is quite durable (it doesn't scratch off easily) but the process is time-consuming.

Also be aware that the inside of the shaft tends to expand such that the button may not slide easily back on the shaft without some work with a needle file, or using some other way to keep the shaft hole from being affected.

Oct 23, 2020 - 12:27:56 AM

RevD

USA

141 posts since 4/8/2019

I think I've had my shaft hole affected a time or two but I digress.... Good tips, I'd done dark blue rit on abs RC model rims. They came white. After a bit of heat and a dip they looked real good. Now I know what to do with buttons, thank you!

Edited by - RevD on 10/23/2020 00:29:19

Oct 23, 2020 - 4:47:11 AM

Brett

USA

2397 posts since 11/29/2005

Leftover coffee

Oct 24, 2020 - 3:25:56 PM

Helix

USA

13095 posts since 8/30/2006
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JohnTN thank you very much for making this available again for everybody.  Those are great looking colored buttons.  
And the 5th button, too?

Brett We grind our own leftover coffee, too.

The dyes work with both alcohol and water? Or just the analine dyes from Stewmac..?

Does coffee go well with alcohol? Yuck it up, Mickey.

Edited by - Helix on 10/24/2020 15:29:11

Oct 24, 2020 - 4:04:41 PM

JohnTN

USA

140 posts since 8/8/2012

I didn't post photos of colored 5th button but the material is the same as the peghead tuner buttons so it works the same.

I have only used water not alcohol, and have not tried the StewMac dyes.

Oct 24, 2020 - 5:36:04 PM

Helix

USA

13095 posts since 8/30/2006
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The Analine dyes are rich and full of carcinogenic material. Special handling. I built a blue banjo, once.

I think water base and the Rit synthetics are what I was looking for. I can just as easily brew up some while I'm assembling the banjo.

thank you for sparking conversation. It's been real dry in the desert lately. Monday night we will get this same wind that California has now and it'll rain drops as big as dinner plates IF they hit the ground, we haven't even had any Virga to look at.

You people stay safe, stay apart, stay clean, vote, not necessarily in that order. No one got hurt and reasonable levels of hygiene were observed. Just a desert joke. What if voting was seen as a real pleasant party, like New Year's without the alcohol.

I'm dying to try this now. Thanks again.

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