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Oct 20, 2020 - 8:12:47 PM

beegee

USA

21933 posts since 7/6/2005

I saw a Yamaha guitar on FB marketplace. It was damaged and had a really cheap price on it. I contacted the seller and offered to buy it. He said he was out of town and said he would contact me when he returned. I contacted him again today about meeting and completing the purchase on Thursday. He then messaged me and said he'd found the guitar was worth more than he was asking. I told him if it hadn't been broken and didn't need a neck reset, it may be worth a little more than he was asking. I offered his asking price again and he gave me a "thumbs-up" reply. A few minutes later, he messaged me and said he may want to keep it and get it fixed. he said he had a buddy who "repaired guitars" and he was going to see about getting a new neck for it. I told him what I would charge to repair the guitar, neck reset, fret job, repair the broken heel and refinish, cleaning, set-up, etc. He said he would let me know Thursday. I feel like he's going to renege on the deal. I am kinda miffed.

Oct 20, 2020 - 8:36:13 PM

Owen

Canada

6802 posts since 6/5/2011
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I'm still learning the ropes w.r.t. marketplace-type buying/selling.  So far I find that about 1/2 are d____ h_____ to one degree or another.   When I was trying to farm [pre-internet] I had a couple of instances where guys upped the price.... found out after I'd traveled +/- an hour.  I guess I was "miffed" at the time. In one instance I told the guy what I thought of his MO, and went home and welded up my original part; in the other I bit my tongue and bought it [an oddball size combine tire and getting the combine operational was paramount] but as I age, and/or it fades into the past, I'm a little more able to chalk such things up to one of my mom's teachings: "It takes all kinds."

Edited by - Owen on 10/20/2020 20:45:35

Oct 20, 2020 - 9:06:24 PM

rcc56

USA

3193 posts since 2/20/2016

Bob, I would terminate the transaction immediately. It don't smell right.   sad no

And to quote Satchel Paige, "Don't look back.  Something might be gaining . . ."

Edited by - rcc56 on 10/20/2020 21:10:21

Oct 21, 2020 - 3:06:13 AM
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177 posts since 9/6/2019

This guy sounds like he is playing at least two potential buyers to see who comes up with the best deal. If you've already offered asking price and he is flaking like this I would just walk away. He's already thrown two excuses in a day. Either he has no idea at all of what he's doing or he's playing buyers, at least that's what it looks like to me.

Oct 21, 2020 - 4:19:55 AM
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OM45GE

USA

101733 posts since 11/7/2007

I agree, it’s time to move on.

You’ll never know if he’s legitimately changed his mind or playing games or whatever, but don’t waste your energy on it.

Oct 21, 2020 - 5:28:49 AM

2247 posts since 4/22/2018

quote:
Originally posted by OM45GE

I agree, it’s time to move on.

You’ll never know if he’s legitimately changed his mind or playing games or whatever, but don’t waste your energy on it.


I'm with you Bill, sometime you just get that sense that somethings going to be more hard work than it's worth - as the four tops ob]nice said, Just Walk Away Renee

Oct 21, 2020 - 5:59:34 AM
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beegee

USA

21933 posts since 7/6/2005

quote:
Originally posted by rcc56

Bob, I would terminate the transaction immediately. It don't smell right.   sad no

And to quote Satchel Paige, "Don't look back.  Something might be gaining . . ."


I'm going to check back with him Thursday afternoon. He said an older friend had given him the guitar some time ago. From the pictures it appears that the strings are about 1/4-3/8" above the fingerboard. The heel was broken and "repaired" It's a mess. If he wants to jack up the price, I'm going to tell him what a scum-bag he is. If he agrees to sell it at our original agreement, I will buy it, repair and flip it. I don't charge myself any money to repair these, but I do hope to compensate myself when I sell. It's a 1977-81plywood guitar, but they usually sound good. 

Edited by - beegee on 10/21/2020 06:02:21

Oct 21, 2020 - 6:05:26 AM
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rinemb

USA

12654 posts since 5/24/2005

I would be patient. If you want it enough. I can say, my first good dreadnaught was a Yamaha, I bought new in about 1985-ish? solid woods, spruce and rosewood. It sounded great to me. Then I sold it to buy a Gallager with the same woods.
The seller does sound a bit wishy-washy. I just sold about 15 instruments of all kinds, thinning the herd. Most of them were damaged/repaired in part but all good playable. They went cheap. really cheap. Just the way it is, but many folks don't get it.
Brad

Oct 21, 2020 - 7:35:39 AM
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73410 posts since 5/9/2007

I'd let his actions so far be representative of what else to expect.
A Yamaha repair doesn't seem worth the aggravation,imo.

Oct 21, 2020 - 1:48:41 PM

beegee

USA

21933 posts since 7/6/2005

Yamaha guitars are often surprisingly good, especially when they can be bought dirt-cheap. But that's the rub. If I can buy it at his original price, I can repair and still make money. I will not be hustled, though.

Oct 21, 2020 - 1:59:08 PM
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KCJones

USA

966 posts since 8/30/2012

quote:
Originally posted by beegee

I saw a Yamaha guitar on FB marketplace. It was damaged and had a really cheap price on it. I contacted the seller and offered to buy it. He said he was out of town and said he would contact me when he returned. I contacted him again today about meeting and completing the purchase on Thursday. He then messaged me and said he'd found the guitar was worth more than he was asking. I told him if it hadn't been broken and didn't need a neck reset, it may be worth a little more than he was asking. I offered his asking price again and he gave me a "thumbs-up" reply. A few minutes later, he messaged me and said he may want to keep it and get it fixed. he said he had a buddy who "repaired guitars" and he was going to see about getting a new neck for it. I told him what I would charge to repair the guitar, neck reset, fret job, repair the broken heel and refinish, cleaning, set-up, etc. He said he would let me know Thursday. I feel like he's going to renege on the deal. I am kinda miffed.


Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see where a deal was ever made.

You offered to buy and he said he'd get back to you, then you contacted him again and he said he had to think about it, then you reiterated your initial offer and he sent the thumbs-up emoji and says he's going to keep the guitar. You then gave a quote for repairs, which is an entirely different negotiation outside of a sale, and he responded that he'd let you know at a later date.

At no point in this story does the seller agree to a sale, no deal was made, and so there is no renege. I agree that online sales can be frustrating and are often fruitless, but I don't see anyone at fault here.

Oct 21, 2020 - 2:29:38 PM
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RonR

USA

1716 posts since 11/29/2012

I sold a few antique motorcycles and the BS and run around I would get was hilarious. My favorite scheme was when they tried to talk me down over the phone I would raise the price.

Oct 21, 2020 - 2:30:49 PM

rcc56

USA

3193 posts since 2/20/2016

I just don't know how much trouble I'd go for on a Yamaha that needs a set, frets, and has broken heel. I would think that it won't bring more than 2 or 3 hundred fixed up. Even if you could get the guitar for $50, that's not much pay for your labor.

I am looking at an older guitar of moderate value that needs frets and a set. They are asking $900 and it might bring $1600 - $1800 repaired. I'm trying to decide whether to offer $700. Then I could get a fair labor rate even if I have to consign it. I suppose I'd better decide before someone else snaps it up.

Oct 21, 2020 - 3:10:16 PM

m06

England

9231 posts since 10/5/2006

To me that behaviour from a seller has red flags all over it.

I'd trust my instinct and leave well alone. And be happy I'd done so.

Edited by - m06 on 10/21/2020 15:11:41

Oct 21, 2020 - 3:43:32 PM

3703 posts since 12/6/2009

I'll add to what Steve said.....a broken Yamaha is fire wood.... period.

Oct 21, 2020 - 4:58:29 PM

beegee

USA

21933 posts since 7/6/2005

I responded within the first few minutes saying I would buy the guitar the next morning. He said he was out of town and to contact him Thursday to arrange time and place. That sounds like an agreement to me. I even offered a deposit to hold it. 

Oct 21, 2020 - 6:08:53 PM

rcc56

USA

3193 posts since 2/20/2016

Seems to me like you're taking this personally.
There are other fish in the sea.

Oct 22, 2020 - 5:00:39 PM
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beegee

USA

21933 posts since 7/6/2005

quote:
Originally posted by rcc56

Seems to me like you're taking this personally.
There are other fish in the sea.


I don't like being hustled. But he did call today and I did buy the guitar. He realized that he advertised it at the low price and that we had a deal. And yes, it has problems. But I bought it super-cheap and there is nothing complicated about repairing it and cleaning it up. if I can flip it and make some money, fine. If not, fine.

The big bonus is that the guitar had an x-large black, moldy, musty t-shirt stuffed inside.

Oct 23, 2020 - 7:49:07 AM

birdman

USA

475 posts since 8/24/2004

Happy ending... most people are good

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