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Oct 19, 2020 - 10:48:54 AM
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Oct 19, 2020 - 11:11:33 AM
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RioStat

USA

5307 posts since 10/12/2009

That's a pretty good looking "fake" (the "I's" line up)….but sure not $300.00 good looking.

A few years ago, I was buying these same waterslide labels by the handful, at $10.00 a pop......different selller, though.

They look good on the side window of your pick-up truck or the door/window of your camper, especially when you're camped out at festivals.

As to your original question.......I don't know whats wrong with people....same question could be asked of anyone who pays that much for the label.
 

Edited by - RioStat on 10/19/2020 11:13:19

Oct 19, 2020 - 11:19:11 AM

1950 posts since 1/4/2009

I think this is actually worse than some of the miss aligned letter ones ive seen,  the giant bold BE in the middle of label sticks out like a sore thumb, still the font is terribly wrong, real Gs dont look like that, other letters are out of place, etc. it would fake some folks.. but why fake folks at all!?!! Maybe its just to troll dorks like me who get all worked up about a banjo label..

Edited by - kyleb on 10/19/2020 11:24:02

Oct 19, 2020 - 11:41:49 AM
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RioStat

USA

5307 posts since 10/12/2009

quote:
Originally posted by kyleb

I think this is actually worse than some of the miss aligned letter ones ive seen,  the giant bold BE in the middle of label sticks out like a sore thumb, still the font is terribly wrong, real Gs dont look like that, other letters are out of place, etc. it would fake some folks.. but why fake folks at all!?!! Maybe its just to troll dorks like me who get all worked up about a banjo label..


Geeez...I need to start looking closer.....you're right Kyle! The "I's" lining up is about the "best" part of this fake label!

Here's one of the fakes I bought several years ago.....


 

Edited by - RioStat on 10/19/2020 11:43:03

Oct 19, 2020 - 11:48:15 AM

1950 posts since 1/4/2009

someone stuck a fake label in an otherwise perfectly authentic 70s rb 250 i had.. for some reason, made it really hard to sell!

Oct 19, 2020 - 1:24:23 PM
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10907 posts since 1/15/2005

It looks like it is a sticker rather than a water slide label. That is not going to hack it if you wanted it to look authentic. Nutty prices!

Oct 19, 2020 - 2:03:07 PM
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61 posts since 10/13/2010

Anyone have a real label they can post so we can see a side by side?

Oct 19, 2020 - 3:14:50 PM

rcc56

USA

3193 posts since 2/20/2016

Go to earnestbanjo.com, hit the "miscellany" button, and it will lead you to a good page on Gibson Mastertone labels.

There's a lot more to it than whether the I's line up. There are several other alignments to look at, plus the lettering style, plus the texture, plus the color. I encourage everybody who encounters an old Mastertone to take a really good look at the label. The color and texture are much easier to see and recognize in person than from a picture on a computer screen.

And by the way, I have seen reproduction labels with I's that do line up. It is not a reliable way to identify a real label with any degree of certainty. All we can tell from the I's is that if they don't line up, the label is definitely false.

Edited by - rcc56 on 10/19/2020 15:16:06

Oct 19, 2020 - 4:26:05 PM
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RioStat

USA

5307 posts since 10/12/2009

Fake label to the left, genuine label on a 1925 ball bearing to the right




Oct 19, 2020 - 4:39:50 PM
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rcc56

USA

3193 posts since 2/20/2016

Thanks for the post, Scott. The pictures are worth a thousand words.

Oct 19, 2020 - 10:41:50 PM
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102 posts since 7/8/2006

Well, he does have the "Make an Offer" option.

I'd be afraid to offer $5.00 because I really don't want one.

Oct 20, 2020 - 4:27:48 AM

4527 posts since 11/20/2004

I don't see the I's lining up any better than most others.

Oct 20, 2020 - 5:17:59 AM

2310 posts since 10/17/2013

I might pay $300 for an unused prewar Mastertone label (though I don’t think such a thing exists), but certainly NOT for a fake label! 

The seller has pipe dreams (or should I say banjo dreams) about the value of that label.

Oct 20, 2020 - 5:27:10 AM
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5708 posts since 9/21/2007

Question.

Could one take an original label, scrape it off, grind up the scrapings, mix them with ink, print new labels, and then call them " prewar conversion labels"?

Oct 20, 2020 - 5:43:48 AM

9 posts since 3/30/2018

I admit that I would be fooled by a "fake" like that. I'll also confess that I bought a "Fender Jazzmaster" label from Ebay (about $7) and put it on a replacement neck on my Squier Jazzmaster. However, I would never try to con anyone into thinking it was a real Fender...

Oct 20, 2020 - 10:03:10 AM

1950 posts since 1/4/2009

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Originally posted by Joel Hooks

Question.

Could one take an original label, scrape it off, grind up the scrapings, mix them with ink, print new labels, and then call them " prewar conversion labels"?


Joel, you could own that market! How can you have a true prewar conversion wihtout an authentic hooks conversion label! 

Oct 20, 2020 - 10:11:38 AM
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ChunoTheDog

Canada

428 posts since 8/9/2019

Would pair well with one of those franken-NonMastertone-banjos some people are selling nowadays for 10k usd.

Oct 20, 2020 - 4:34:43 PM

banjonz

New Zealand

11043 posts since 6/29/2003

This topic comes round with regular monotony. Quite some time ago, a comment was made in a thread that the commenter (a BHO member) was responsible for making the fake labels with deliberate mistakes (letter misalignments etc) in them. This was because he wanted these labels to be seen that in fact they were fake. It takes quite a lot to manufacture the waterslide labels. By "cornering the market" as it were, on fake labels, he insured that his ones would be used thus allowing discerning (and hopefully non discerning buyers) to see that the instruments using them and being passed off as real Gibsons would be seen a fake as well. I hope I have got this right and perhaps the BHO member may like to comment???

Oct 21, 2020 - 5:02:30 AM

1950 posts since 1/4/2009

quote:
Originally posted by banjonz

This topic comes round with regular monotony. Quite some time ago, a comment was made in a thread that the commenter (a BHO member) was responsible for making the fake labels with deliberate mistakes (letter misalignments etc) in them. This was because he wanted these labels to be seen that in fact they were fake. It takes quite a lot to manufacture the waterslide labels. By "cornering the market" as it were, on fake labels, he insured that his ones would be used thus allowing discerning (and hopefully non discerning buyers) to see that the instruments using them and being passed off as real Gibsons would be seen a fake as well. I hope I have got this right and perhaps the BHO member may like to comment???

yes that is true, there have been a few that did this, but not for $300!!!

 


Oct 21, 2020 - 6:26:30 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by banjonz

This topic comes round with regular monotony. Quite some time ago, a comment was made in a thread that the commenter (a BHO member) was responsible for making the fake labels with deliberate mistakes (letter misalignments etc) in them. This was because he wanted these labels to be seen that in fact they were fake. It takes quite a lot to manufacture the waterslide labels. By "cornering the market" as it were, on fake labels, he insured that his ones would be used thus allowing discerning (and hopefully non discerning buyers) to see that the instruments using them and being passed off as real Gibsons would be seen a fake as well. I hope I have got this right and perhaps the BHO member may like to comment???


Or... they only said that so that that their better fakes will not be scrutinized as closely.  Perhaps they are part of the counterfeit Gibson ring.  

"Oh no, we deliberately make ALL copy (counterfeit) labels with problems so that they are easy to distinguish from the real labels."

"Oh no, these 'replica' Rolex and Louis Vuitton produces we sell on Canal St. are deliberately made with wrong labels, we don't want to fool anyone into thinking they are real."

Things honest/ethical business people say as they sell counterfeit goods.

Oct 26, 2020 - 10:04:59 AM
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333 posts since 2/14/2013

That label has been listed several times over the past few months. Not sure what the reasoning behind the price. That looks identical to the waterslide labels that used to offered by First Quality for around 10-15 bucks.

Oct 27, 2020 - 5:44:23 PM
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55991 posts since 12/14/2005

IF any of my opinions were hum-bull, my hum-bull opinion would be that IF one purchases a banjo because of how it sounds and how it feels, instead of because of what an authentic Gibstein might be worth, one needn't worry about labels.


Oct 31, 2020 - 12:52 PM

185 posts since 2/17/2004

EVIL

Nov 2, 2020 - 7:59:44 AM

Cleitus

New Zealand

379 posts since 6/10/2011

But it lacks the well known authentic Gibson address 'fabricado en Taiwan' which as any real Gibson expert distinguishes the 'real' labels from fakes.

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