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Oct 6, 2020 - 5:51:40 PM
3285 posts since 4/16/2006

Hey there, I stumbled across a cheesy 70s film called, Vigilante Force (1976) and within the first few minutes there was a scene showing a small town having a square dance.  The banjo player was clearly playing bluegrass but I couldn't make out who it was.  It looked like it could possibly be Larry McNeely but I am not certain.  I turned it off after about 10 minutes due to the nauseating cheese factor of the film.   Does anyone out there in banjo world know?  Thanks!

Oct 6, 2020 - 10:09:23 PM

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Yeah. Maybe Larry McNeely.

Vigilante Force @ 5:28 in - watch for banjo player at 5:31

Pretty bad looking movie.

Oct 7, 2020 - 3:15:32 AM

1509 posts since 11/27/2005

Looks like the 70s larry

Oct 7, 2020 - 3:43:16 AM

3704 posts since 12/6/2009

looks kinda tall to be Larry.....maybe even be a movie prop with canned sound

Oct 7, 2020 - 3:56:45 AM

phb

Germany

2178 posts since 11/8/2010

If it was a movie prop, he did better at mimicking banjo technique than most piano and guitar "players" you get to see in movies. If actors can lose or gain 60 pounds to fit a part in a movie, why can't they take a few lessons on the instrument their character is supposed to play?

Oct 7, 2020 - 5:26:01 AM

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No one learns to play an instrument for less than a minute of screen time.

Oct 7, 2020 - 5:52:59 AM

56007 posts since 12/14/2005

Larry with a haircut

https://youtu.be/pkzSXHwysBk

Larry getting long-haired.

Oct 7, 2020 - 6:20:24 AM

5495 posts since 12/20/2005

I think it could very well be Larry McNeely.

Oct 7, 2020 - 3:40:44 PM
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doryman

USA

867 posts since 11/26/2012

quote:
Originally posted by phb

If it was a movie prop, he did better at mimicking banjo technique than most piano and guitar "players" you get to see in movies. If actors can lose or gain 60 pounds to fit a part in a movie, why can't they take a few lessons on the instrument their character is supposed to play?


A surprising number do. Most recently Taron Egerton - Rocketman, comes to mind. 

Oct 7, 2020 - 4:04:03 PM

289 posts since 10/4/2018

IMBd has a page for Larry McNeely and it lists his film appearances (mostly tv) and this film is not mentioned. But even still, it could be him. My vote is for either John Hartford or Steve Davis.

Oct 7, 2020 - 11:03:58 PM

Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

24070 posts since 6/25/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Good Buddy

IMBd has a page for Larry McNeely and it lists his film appearances (mostly tv) and this film is not mentioned. But even still, it could be him. My vote is for either John Hartford or Steve Davis.


The IMBd page for the film does not list McNeely, but it doesn't list any other musicians--so not being listed.for the film means nothing.  I agree that the bnjo player looks a lot like McNeeluy.

Oct 8, 2020 - 6:13:51 AM

Jim Yates

Canada

6685 posts since 2/21/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory

No one learns to play an instrument for less than a minute of screen time.


Except Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke.  Pretty elementary playing, but exactly what was needed for that scene.

Oct 8, 2020 - 8:33:47 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Jim Yates
quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory

No one learns to play an instrument for less than a minute of screen time.


Except Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke.  Pretty elementary playing, but exactly what was needed for that scene.


I meant less than a minute of screen time for the actor in the movie. Paul Newman was the star of that movie. Not the same thing.

Oct 8, 2020 - 1:30:28 PM
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3704 posts since 12/6/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory

No one learns to play an instrument for less than a minute of screen time.


no one has to....ie the banjo boy in the movie Deliverance didn't even know how to hold one......

Oct 8, 2020 - 2:29:12 PM

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Excellent point.

Oct 9, 2020 - 12:38:54 AM

phb

Germany

2178 posts since 11/8/2010

quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory
quote:
Originally posted by Jim Yates
quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory

No one learns to play an instrument for less than a minute of screen time.


Except Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke.  Pretty elementary playing, but exactly what was needed for that scene.


I meant less than a minute of screen time for the actor in the movie. Paul Newman was the star of that movie. Not the same thing.


And I was referring to main parts that play an instrument in some scene because nobody is going to lose or gain 60 pounds for a minute in a movie either.

Just too often neither the actor nor the director seem to care whether the finger movements are convincing but I admit this phenomenon has become better. For piano scenes they now like to make fake reflections of the hands in the lacquer of the piano and similar tricks. 

Oct 9, 2020 - 12:45:25 AM

phb

Germany

2178 posts since 11/8/2010

quote:
Originally posted by overhere
quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory

No one learns to play an instrument for less than a minute of screen time.


no one has to....ie the banjo boy in the movie Deliverance didn't even know how to hold one......


Well, you can't always hide another player behind the actor... :)

Oct 9, 2020 - 5:30:22 AM

Brett

USA

2396 posts since 11/29/2005

To this day, there are many musicians who still argue the little boy WAS playing he banjo in Deliverance.

Oct 10, 2020 - 7:19:26 AM

Jim Yates

Canada

6685 posts since 2/21/2007

quote:
Originally posted by Brett

To this day, there are many musicians who still argue the little boy WAS playing he banjo in Deliverance.


I'm sure you've seen this Youtube clip of a grown-up Billy Redden.  Banjo Boy Billy Redden

Oct 10, 2020 - 7:46:07 AM

Brett

USA

2396 posts since 11/29/2005

Yes, and I learned from BHO also about the kid picking. Otherwise, I would also have thought he was picking. I did when I was younger.

Oct 11, 2020 - 9:11:38 AM

2254 posts since 2/10/2013

I have read articles where musicians told about recording the sound tracks, but having actors "act out" the roles of the musicians. I especially remember one article where musicians wrote about how much the movie crew enjoyed their playing. But more powerful people insisted on using actors to play the musicians role. Apparently they do not realize musicians can often recognize when this is being done. This seems to happen a lot with singers in movies. The music "says" one thing, and their lips aren't in agreement.

Oct 11, 2020 - 10:01:11 AM
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doryman

USA

867 posts since 11/26/2012

quote:
Originally posted by Jim Yates
quote:
Originally posted by Old Hickory

No one learns to play an instrument for less than a minute of screen time.


Except Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke.  Pretty elementary playing, but exactly what was needed for that scene.


THAT movie, THAT scene,  was what got me into banjos. 

Oct 16, 2020 - 11:05:54 AM

56007 posts since 12/14/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Brett

To this day, there are many musicians who still argue the little boy WAS playing he banjo in Deliverance.


Invite them to gaze upon this bit of Movie Magic:

(LOVE the bit at about  0:40 where the banjo picker graciously nods for the mandolin player to take a break! Such jam etiquette should be more widely practiced.)

 

Edited by - mike gregory on 10/16/2020 11:12:10

Oct 20, 2020 - 4:48:18 PM

Westvon

USA

3285 posts since 4/16/2006

Thank you everybody for chiming in on this question.  I'm certain the answer is out there somewhere but ultimately it's not an unanswered question that I'll lose any sleep over.

Oct 20, 2020 - 7:37:09 PM

5746 posts since 10/13/2007

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