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Oct 1, 2020 - 10:48:13 AM
6736 posts since 8/30/2004

This shows you that anything can be put into Clawhammer style. I'm not sure I agree with myself. Ha -- Jack   p.s. This is basically a Kingston Trio based arrangement I guess, but keep in mind that my arrangement is not meant to be the same beat as the Trio. I could actually make that work in Clawhammer but this arrangement should be fun I hope....Let me attach the Trio's version -- it is fantastic and it was Dave Guard's idea to put it into a Rhumba beat...

Sloop John B.  Tabledit

Kingston Trio  Version

Edited by - Jack Baker on 10/15/2020 13:26:13

Oct 1, 2020 - 11:06:58 AM
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janolov

Sweden

40718 posts since 3/7/2006

It was a nice arrangement, but I had expected more "rhumba rhythms" which is difficult (but not impossible) to obtain in clawhammer. I worked out a strumming version some 40 years ago based on brush hand down - brush thumb down - brush hand up. I think Pete Seeger demonstrated it in his book as a rhumba stroke.

Oct 1, 2020 - 11:15:27 AM

6736 posts since 8/30/2004

You're exactly right Jan,
But I thought I'd have some fun with it in Clawhammer style anyway...I could have change the guitar also but I decided not to with this arrangement which is basically for fun...tks...Jack  p.s. It's good practice for students to learn 1/8 note, 1/4 note or, "dotted 1/8th tied to a 1/16th beat" is basically what Rhumba rhythm is...j

Edited by - Jack Baker on 10/01/2020 11:29:19

Oct 1, 2020 - 11:21:58 AM
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Is there a SOUND FILE, for those of us too lazy or stubborn to learn tab?
Big K TRIO fan, which is WHY I got into beating on a poor defenseless banjo in the first place.

Oct 1, 2020 - 11:25:58 AM

6736 posts since 8/30/2004

Hi Mike,
If you have Tabledit, the midi provides that. If not, then youtube has lots of the Kingston Trio playing this tune. The Rhumba beat varies when Dancers are involved. It seems to change with each person or song...Jack    Ha, I actually took Arthur Murray lessons in Rhumba dancing when I was in my late teens...it was a disaster Ha....

Edited by - Jack Baker on 10/01/2020 11:36:19

Oct 1, 2020 - 11:38:21 AM

6736 posts since 8/30/2004

Mike,
I actually got to meet Dave Guard when I was in the Navy in Hawaii. He was wonderful and fun. John Stewart replaced him as you probably know, Dave had the "magic" and to me was the "Kingston Trio" sound....

Originally posted by mike gregory

Is there a SOUND FILE, for those of us too lazy or stubborn to learn tab?
Big K TRIO fan, which is WHY I got into beating on a poor defenseless banjo in the first place.


Edited by - Jack Baker on 10/01/2020 11:39:02

Oct 1, 2020 - 12:42:45 PM

6736 posts since 8/30/2004

Hi Jan,
I added the original recording of the Trio in my first post. Yeah, it is seductive but I'll fool with that version later....Do people actually remember this group? Ha....Jack  p.s. I'd love to hear what you did with the rhythm if you get time...

Originally posted by janolov

It was a nice arrangement, but I had expected more "rhumba rhythms" which is difficult (but not impossible) to obtain in clawhammer. I worked out a strumming version some 40 years ago based on brush hand down - brush thumb down - brush hand up. I think Pete Seeger demonstrated it in his book as a rhumba stroke.


Edited by - Jack Baker on 10/01/2020 12:44:26

Oct 1, 2020 - 3:20:06 PM

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I looked for,specifically,
SLOOP JOHN B RHUMBA
on Youtube, and found
"Sloop John B. (Rumba),

https://youtu.be/09dQmeB_NgU
but MY ear cannot detect a difference between the two rhythms.

Which is why I was asking to hear yours, specifically..

I'll see if I can get  a free listen from  the TABLEDIT

 

Meanwhile, here's FOGGY MOUNTAIN BREAKDOWN as a rhumba:

https://youtu.be/LgdeumE0Owo

Oct 1, 2020 - 4:17:16 PM

6736 posts since 8/30/2004

Well,
The tab is there if people want to fool with it. The Rhumba beat is just a different way to accent certain notes, not much more...Jack

Oct 2, 2020 - 11:51:01 AM

4001 posts since 11/29/2005

"Sloop John B" was my second attempt at tabbing back when I first started playing banjo. I should post it, and the tab for "The Fox" ( ...went out on a chase one night) here, although they are both available for free on my PricklyPearMusic site. Simple versions.

Oct 2, 2020 - 12:11:50 PM

6736 posts since 8/30/2004

Hi Brad,
I checked your site. I may have very well been influenced by your tab. I did it a long time ago so thank you if that's the case....How are you these days? I was mostly influenced by Dave Guard and the Trio as I recall. I could have put the rhythm into a rhumba beat as Jan has suggested but for Clawhammer it would be too awkward I think, beat wise....Just intended to be yet another Clawhammer tune to fool with...J

Edited by - Jack Baker on 10/02/2020 12:17:54

Oct 2, 2020 - 12:45:55 PM

6736 posts since 8/30/2004

 

Hi Fred,
I checked your site. I may have very well been influenced by your tab. I did it a long time ago so thank you if that's the case....How are you these days? I was mostly influenced by Dave Guard and the Trio as I recall. I could have put the rhythm into a rhumba beat as Jan has suggested but for Clawhammer it would be too awkward I think, beat wise....Just intended to be yet another Clawhammer tune to fool with...J


Edited by - Jack Baker on 10/02/2020 12:46:41

Oct 2, 2020 - 2:41:34 PM

4001 posts since 11/29/2005

Thanks for the kind words, Jack! I'm just a duffer when it comes to writing tabs, but that's ok since that's about the same level of my playing banjo :)

I've added my version of both "Sloop John B" and the old favorite "The Fox Went Out" to the archive here in both Tabledit and PDF formats. I never got around to including the lyrics, but with the new version of Tabledit, it gives me a reason to learn the new lyric insertion method.

I'm doing well, not playing much music, but still getting a bit in. I was mostly influenced by my brother when he was with "The Round Town Boys" while in college at Fresno State in the 60's. Seeger, of course, as well as the KT, who first got me started on "Folk Music" during the "Scare."

Oct 5, 2020 - 12:09:11 PM
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janolov

Sweden

40718 posts since 3/7/2006

I just posted a tab with two "rhumba rhythm" arrangements to give a more West Indian flavor to the tune: https://www.banjohangout.org/tab/browse.asp?m=detail&v=24546.


The first part shows a strumming pattern which I learned from Pete Seeger's book
1 Brush down with hand
2 Brush down with thumb
3 Brush up with index
4 Brush down with hand
5 Brush down with thumb
6 Brush up with index
7 Brush down with hand
8 Brush up with index
If there is eight 1/8 notes in a measure the brush down with hand is emphasized or the 1, 4 and 7 note. I have tried to incorporate the melody notes to the strum, but the strum sounds best for accompaniment and not for playing melody.

The second part is a kind of clawhammer, also giving the emphasizing on 1, 4 and 7 note. A lot of drop thumb is involved and the drop thumb on note 4 should be loud.

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