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Sep 27, 2020 - 10:15:56 AM

Owen

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.... just how I like 'em. 

Just now on the radio somebody was saying that the cost of childcare in Quebec is "10 times less than it is in Ontario."   

Is the cost in Quebec 1/10 the cost in Ontario? ...or is the cost in Ontario 10X more than in Quebec? ... or is the cost in Quebec really 10X less than in Ontario?  

Edited by - Owen on 09/27/2020 10:41:48

Sep 27, 2020 - 10:27:02 AM
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chuckv97

Canada

52638 posts since 10/5/2013

Quote : “or is the cost in Ontario 10X more than in Ontario?“

Beats me....

Sep 27, 2020 - 10:46:05 AM

Owen

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Thanks Chuck.  I think [hope??] I've edited in the requisite change.  Maybe I'm cold-blooded.. brain activity slows as temperature deceases??? 

So, now, which is it... a), b), c) or d)?   ...and option d) isn't "yes'.

Edited by - Owen on 09/27/2020 10:52:06

Sep 27, 2020 - 10:55:06 AM

chuckv97

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52638 posts since 10/5/2013

Isn’t 1/10 the same as 10X less ?

Sep 27, 2020 - 11:02:09 AM

Owen

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...not to me, it ain't.   

Plug in some numbers....   Ontario costs $30.  10 X 30 = 300.  So can a Kweebecker expect to pay 30 minus 300 =  negative 270?   

Or, alternatively 30 in Ontario.  1/10 X 30 = 3.  Would the cost in PQ be 30 - 3 = 27?

Edited by - Owen on 09/27/2020 11:13:00

Sep 27, 2020 - 11:12:04 AM
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I hate to intrude on a purely Canadian argument. But I'm with Chuck on this one. Quebec 30. Ontario 300. Quebec 1/10th of Ontario. Ontario 10X Quebec. Makes it almost worthwhile to ship your kids to Quebec if you live in Toronto.

Sep 27, 2020 - 11:22:12 AM

Owen

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...'cept, Andrew, they didn't say that "Ontario's is 10X greater than" or that  "Quebec's is 1/10 OF, or 1/10 as much as Ontario", they said "10X less."    To me  "10X less than" is gobbledy-gook.

At a parent-teacher interview back when we had kids in school, a high school math teacher said something about "you times a number by some other number and.... ."  I scratched my head and mentioned that I thought the operations were add, subtract, multiply and divide, and asked what this "timesing" stuff was.   

Edit: Please do intrude.  wink

Edited by - Owen on 09/27/2020 11:24:51

Sep 27, 2020 - 11:42:13 AM

bubbalouie

Canada

14190 posts since 9/27/2007

I've heard people say " you have to minus this number" instead of subtract. Doesn't sound right to me.

Sep 27, 2020 - 11:44:45 AM
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Owen

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...probably sounds fine to Chuck and Andrew, though.   cheeky    Edit:  another cheeky.... one for each.

So, bubba, how does "10X less" sound?

Edit #2...actually between checking in here, I'm repairing a work lamp for my daughter.   A bit of welding.... better'n new!!   

While I'm aware of Earl's repeat  "?? times," that wouldn't even get me out of my basement, let alone Birtle or Swanee.  However, I did make my WORLD debut before covid at a couple of local jams ..... some kind of roll (?) to accompany what euphemistically might be called singing.   No tomatoes or eggs got thrown.

Edited by - Owen on 09/27/2020 12:01:18

Sep 27, 2020 - 11:46:13 AM
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chuckv97

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52638 posts since 10/5/2013

I think you’re throwing up a smokescreen to avoid practicing yer T I M T I M T M ‘s *

*if you do those 1/10 of the the “times“ that Earl did them you’d be a hit with the pickers at Birtle and Swan River.

Sep 27, 2020 - 12:30:36 PM

bubbalouie

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i'd say 10 times cheaper!

Sep 27, 2020 - 12:57:34 PM

Owen

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... 'cept Bubba, it's the cost  or price that's being measured and compared.... not the "cheapness."    In my example, Ontario's cost is 10X Quebec's cost.... or Quebec's cost is 1/10th. of Ontario's cost.     "Cheapness" isn't being measured, so 10X  something that isn't measured doesn't mean a whole lot.  So here's one for you, too.  cheeky

Sep 27, 2020 - 8:53:28 PM
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chuckv97

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52638 posts since 10/5/2013

Dread Thrift Alert !
This little festival I played at was of course, as you’d guess, north of Highway 7. Where else ....I mean "Snowmobile Grass Drags" ...? sheesh.  Maybe north of Dauphin too perhaps.




Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/27/2020 20:54:42

Sep 28, 2020 - 11:32:28 AM

Owen

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... works on water  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gikCpPc8zZ8...   so why not grass?  I've been on 'em a few times, 'way back, but I'm not part* of the snow machine set, so don't know a whole lot.   As I recall, the first I heard of "doing it" on water was some dude in Kamloops (?) just farting around, who surprised his Sunday afternoon social gathering by going about 5 km. on some lake or river.   

Since my first teaching stint in Swanee I rarely get "north of Dauphin"..... but last summer we did take in a small, very enjoyable festival just east of Cowan... in honour of native son "Fiddling Ray [Dzikowski]".   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCUn6vFWQXA

* = I got enuff of the "2-cycle whine" from work I did with chainsaws and the like.  Subjecting myself during my leisure would be asking a bit much.   Obviously many don't concur, and I gather there have been b-i-g [expensive] improvements in the last decade or so.

Edited by - Owen on 09/28/2020 11:33:17

Sep 28, 2020 - 11:43:06 AM

chuckv97

Canada

52638 posts since 10/5/2013

Owen,,,,Fiddlin’ Ray had a strong bow arm, imho.
Is that in Michael Ferland country...?

Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/28/2020 11:43:37

Sep 28, 2020 - 12:01:35 PM

Owen

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How come I get all the hard questions?  Another of the small [ie. good] festivals we like is the one at Barrows.   There are Ferlands there... ranchers and musicians.  Maybe that was Michael's youthful stomping grounds??   If the festivals are resurrected next year I will inquire.... "don't touch that dial!!"

...of course Fiddling Ray had a strong arm.... he was a "good Ukrainian* boy."

* = ...or Polish??  ...or ???

Sep 28, 2020 - 12:07:54 PM
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Brian T

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Several places up here have held snowmobile endurance races on water.
Record used to be 145 miles on the Thompson river but he ran out of gas.
Local place held grass drags one year. Even a specially groomed lawn track for the event.
Top hill-climbing snowmobile in North America is just down the road in Valemount.
Dyno 450 Hp with NOX boost ( good for out running avalanches, too.)

McBride district has Las Vegas trade show approval as the best sled location in North America.

Sep 28, 2020 - 12:29:52 PM

kww

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"10x less" is dialect, meaning "one tenth". Dialect, by definition, isn't wrong, although it can be illogical or strange.

Wrong is a statement like "up to 30% or more off", which, when parsed, means nothing. Any level of discount, including no discount at all and giving something away for free, satisfies "up to 30% or more off".

Sep 28, 2020 - 12:47:27 PM

chuckv97

Canada

52638 posts since 10/5/2013

Like Bill Monroe said, “That ain’t no part of nothin’”.

Sep 28, 2020 - 12:54:29 PM
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Jbo1

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960 posts since 5/19/2007

Maybe you need to factor in "Gozintas", like when Jethro Bodine would do math: "6 gozinta 36 6 times, 7 gozinta 49 7 times...."

Sep 28, 2020 - 1:07:41 PM
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Owen

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..youse guys are a lot of help!!!    Consequently, I had to consult the all-knowing Google....although [to my everlasting shame] I stopped when the first hit provided confirmation.   https://timesless.com/

Kevin, my logic says "phooey!" to dialect...I don't see anything particular to any region or social group.  It's gobbledy-gook I tell ya.   It's about as meaningful as my sometimes quips to my very patient and understanding wife..... temperature was 12 degrees yesterday.... today it's 24 degrees.... "Oh, today it's twice as warm as it was yesterday."

Edit: To stir the pot Kevin, is vehicle advertising that says, "with available ______ " also dialect?      ...and while I'm on a roll, how about "as of yet"?     crying

P.S.  "As of now" we're considering a day trip tomorrow to check out the highest peak (?) in Manitoba.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldy_Mountain_(Manitoba)  I figure by then you guys will appreciate the break. 

Edited by - Owen on 09/28/2020 13:19:15

Sep 28, 2020 - 1:17:58 PM

Jbo1

USA

960 posts since 5/19/2007

Owen, if it is any consolation, I agree with your original question. It really doesn't make sense.

Sep 28, 2020 - 1:34:09 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

52638 posts since 10/5/2013

Quote : “temperature was 12 degrees yesterday.... today it's 24 degrees..“

So yesterday was twice as cold as today, right?
Or today’s temperature is 200% of yesterday’s .

p.s. hope you changed the oil and checked the rad fluid, Owen, before you motor up those dizzying [for Manitoba] heights. Those '72 Pinto's have a history of engine knock and overheating .......just sayin'

Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/28/2020 13:45:01

Sep 28, 2020 - 1:40:24 PM
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Jbo1

USA

960 posts since 5/19/2007

But was yesterday's 2x less than today's?

Sep 28, 2020 - 6:53:05 PM

Owen

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Well, the excitement was short-lived.   About 8:00 pm the [big/progressive] farmer that has the field across the back lane from our house pulled in with his 2 honkin' big CLAAS Lexion 760s... looks like about 34 or 36' headers in beans.... my rough calculation says maybe 20 ac./hour/machine.  Alas it was already intermittently spitting rain.... looks like he's done for the nite.   I've been around farm machinery all my life, but the sheer power of the big combines never fails to impress me.... the capacity of the machines of my younger years would probably be 10X less [hack, cough, hack, splutter] than these ones.  


 

Edited by - Owen on 09/28/2020 18:55:08

Sep 28, 2020 - 7:09:51 PM

chuckv97

Canada

52638 posts since 10/5/2013

Here’s one for sale,, maybe 60% or 2/3 off the new price, eh? An opportunity, Owen, to go into contracting business and ride the big machine. Your life will be complete, 100%.


 

Edited by - chuckv97 on 09/28/2020 19:10:18

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