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Sep 24, 2020 - 1:13:29 PM
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I know Scruggs played a Granada, Reno an RB3 (or I've read it was an RB75) with flying eagle inlay on the fingerboard and Crowe a RB75. All these original pre-war flat head RB banjos were their signature/career banjos.

From back in the Scruggs, Reno and Crowe years, who played an original RB3 flat head banjo with the leaves and bows inlay through out their career?

Just curious.

Thanks!

Sep 24, 2020 - 1:52:59 PM

13333 posts since 10/30/2008

I can't think of anyone from those days who did. I'm sure there must have been someone.

Sep 24, 2020 - 2:27:17 PM

98 posts since 9/19/2005

I’m looking at my copy of Masters of the 5-string banjo and it says Curtis McPeake played a Granada but also a 1937 RB3. It also says Dave Evans played a 1929 RB3 Gibson pot.

Sep 24, 2020 - 2:46:24 PM
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Curtis McPeake, Ole Betsy!

Sep 24, 2020 - 4:06:33 PM

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I remember Billy Edwards playing a Gibson with the leaves and bow inlay pattern, and I always assumed it was an original, pre-war flat head, but I don't know that for sure. It would be interesting to know who has that banjo now.

Sep 24, 2020 - 8:02:11 PM

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Curtis' "Ol Betsey" is an RB 75 of the "later" variety, not classic leaves & bows. Old diamonds and squares on the peghead for instance.

I always associated Billy Edwards with the Double Flying Eagle banjo he played in the 60s and 70s with the Shenandoah Cut Ups. Never knew if it was an RB 3 or RB 4.

Sep 24, 2020 - 9:17:09 PM

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I knew Billy Edwards. The banjo he played with the Shenandoah Cut Ups was an RB4. I saw it several times and remember that it was walnut. In later years he also had a Stelling Staghorn. He may have had a Leaves and Bows RB3 but I never saw it.

Sep 25, 2020 - 3:06:28 AM
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Billy Edwards indeed played an original RB-4 no-hole flathead (9474-2). He acquired it in the late fifties with a replacement bowtie fingerboard by Gibson. In the early sixties the neck was restored to flying eagle by Clermon Ward. In 1968 Billy bought an original RB-3 no-hole flathead (9473-3) from Carl Hunt. The original leaves and bows neck had been broken when Carl ran over the banjo with his car. Clermon Ward built a replacement H&F neck for it and this was present when Billy bought the banjo. Clermon restored the original L&B neck with FE board and put it on Al Osteen's banjo which Al played the rest of his life. 9473-3 was eventually acquired by Ben Eldridge and was stolen from him in 1989, never recovered.

Sep 25, 2020 - 3:15:01 AM
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Originally posted by Oldtwanger

Billy Edwards indeed played an original RB-4 no-hole flathead (9474-2). He acquired it in the late fifties with a replacement bowtie fingerboard by Gibson. In the early sixties the neck was restored to flying eagle by Clermon Ward. In 1968 Billy bought an original RB-3 no-hole flathead (9473-3) from Carl Hunt. The original leaves and bows neck had been broken when Carl ran over the banjo with his car. Clermon Ward built a replacement H&F neck for it and this was present when Billy bought the banjo. Clermon restored the original L&B neck with FE board and put it on Al Osteen's banjo which Al played the rest of his life. 9473-3 was eventually acquired by Ben Eldridge and was stolen from him in 1989, never recovered.


Sep 25, 2020 - 4:49:16 AM
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Mike Seeger


 

Edited by - RB3WREATH on 09/25/2020 04:53:39

Sep 25, 2020 - 9:57:27 AM

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Yup, Mike Seeger! I agree! Forgot about him.

Sep 26, 2020 - 11:40:08 AM
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While Crowe’s signature banjo RB75 is true...it’s from a later, different period of his long & stellar career. Well before his acquisition of the RB75, he established his place in Bluegrass banjo greatness (with Jimmy, Kentucky Mt. Boys, & The New South) with his PB-3 no-hole “Banger”. When Crowe & Jimmy found 9467-5 it did not have its original style-3 leaves & bows plectrum neck. Many a neck went on that old 3...but JD preferred the look of an RB-75 neck. So almost all necks, save the last FN neck, had his signature “flying-eagle” fret-board & “leaves & bows” peg-head on Banger & his 20-hole Flathead 3.

Sep 28, 2020 - 10:03:53 AM
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Couple other contemporary, vs. back-in-the-day pros, come to mind w/ pre-war “leaves & bows” Flathead s. Mike Munford & Bill Evans (‘til he sold it)...’cept that 3 wasn’t an RB; Jerry Keys; Jim Mill’s 75

Sep 28, 2020 - 10:17:49 AM

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http://www.earnestbanjo.com/gibson_banjo_RB-75_mastertone_F5883-5.htm

I know this doesn't go back to the early time period of Scruggs and Reno, but one of my faves is the RB-75 that Rob McCoury plays/played. It has a modified version of the standard 'Leaves and Bows' inlay.
 

Sep 28, 2020 - 10:38:33 AM

2002 posts since 1/10/2004

The catalog standard pre-war RB-3 seems to be widely respected, but never found too many exemplars associated to a lot of famous Bluegrass players it seems. I'm sure there were probably some touring and radio-broadcast professionals during the 30s-40s who played RB-3s in the pre-Bluegrass or proto-Bluegrass days. For the most part a 3 is a 75, or vice-versa. When the RB-3 was the original baseline Mastertone model it seems it was much less of a mess than the later 75, which varied more widely and at times resembled floor sweeps. But somehow the 75 caught on in the first couple Bluegrass generations as the working pro's banjo. Maybe there were just more of them available as flat heads.

Sep 28, 2020 - 11:53:43 AM
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FWIW, I think there was another (possible) pre-war RB-3 that is a bit of a mystery, at least to me. When Earl sent his Granada to Gibson to be repaired (sometime in 1950?) he supposedly used another RB-3 with a replaced bowtie fingerboard but a (presumed) original leaves and bows peg head inlay, and Earl may have used it on late 1950 Mercury-Columbia recording sessions. This banjo may have originally had a leaves and bows neck, if it was in fact an RB-3. If true it might be one of the simultaneously most famous and obscure banjos there ever was.

Sep 28, 2020 - 2:44:04 PM
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Originally posted by Oldtwanger

Billy Edwards indeed played an original RB-4 no-hole flathead (9474-2). He acquired it in the late fifties with a replacement bowtie fingerboard by Gibson. In the early sixties the neck was restored to flying eagle by Clermon Ward. In 1968 Billy bought an original RB-3 no-hole flathead (9473-3) from Carl Hunt. The original leaves and bows neck had been broken when Carl ran over the banjo with his car. Clermon Ward built a replacement H&F neck for it and this was present when Billy bought the banjo. Clermon restored the original L&B neck with FE board and put it on Al Osteen's banjo which Al played the rest of his life. 9473-3 was eventually acquired by Ben Eldridge and was stolen from him in 1989, never recovered.


Frank, to be clear, wasn't Al's banjo and converted Style 1, with the neck that you described?  Al's banjo sounded good, but I always attributed that to Al and not so much the banjo.

Sep 29, 2020 - 3:19:35 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink
quote:
Originally posted by Oldtwanger

Billy Edwards indeed played an original RB-4 no-hole flathead (9474-2). He acquired it in the late fifties with a replacement bowtie fingerboard by Gibson. In the early sixties the neck was restored to flying eagle by Clermon Ward. In 1968 Billy bought an original RB-3 no-hole flathead (9473-3) from Carl Hunt. The original leaves and bows neck had been broken when Carl ran over the banjo with his car. Clermon Ward built a replacement H&F neck for it and this was present when Billy bought the banjo. Clermon restored the original L&B neck with FE board and put it on Al Osteen's banjo which Al played the rest of his life. 9473-3 was eventually acquired by Ben Eldridge and was stolen from him in 1989, never recovered.


Frank, to be clear, wasn't Al's banjo and converted Style 1, with the neck that you described?  Al's banjo sounded good, but I always attributed that to Al and not so much the banjo.


Yes, John, to the best of my knowledge the pot was a converted style -1, but I am not positive.  Osteen sounded terrific regardless of the instrument in hand; he was a splendid talent.  I recall a fester at Camp Springs when he almost missed dinner when I insisted he show me how he played "Roanoke".  Blew me away.

Sep 29, 2020 - 4:06:12 AM

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Another player with a leaves and Bow 3 is Sandy Rothman

Sep 29, 2020 - 8:11:21 AM

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I ain't nobody and certainly not on level with anyone mentioned. But, Brian mentioned contemporaries with these banjos. Mine is a L & B RB3 (116-4) and Gary Price has the next one (116-5) in line to mine. Crowe's RB3 (116-3) was also a L & B out of the same batch......but the RB neck and pot got separated years ago. I'll let Frank tell that story if he is so minded.

Robby

Edited by - Robby Boone on 09/29/2020 08:12:25

Sep 29, 2020 - 9:44:39 AM
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Robby...was S.R. Involved in that? Crowe told me “I shouldn’t done that”
Brian

Sep 29, 2020 - 11:18:05 AM
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We all know where that neck landed RK

Sep 29, 2020 - 1:02:12 PM

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I think this is the Scruggs RB-3 with bowtie finger board I was thinking of. This is colorized off some old album cover, but better/clearer than any other b&w copy I've seen. It looks like a L&B peg head. Is this an RB-3, and is it the Farewell Blues/Salty Dog banjo?


 

Sep 29, 2020 - 2:17:24 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by rupickin5

Robby...was S.R. Involved in that? Crowe told me “I shouldn’t done that”
Brian


I don't guess I know who S.R. is or I'm just stupid and not putting it together, but..... F.S. was there when it happened and knows the whole story! :) 

Robby 

Sep 29, 2020 - 2:19:48 PM

1280 posts since 3/24/2006

quote:
Originally posted by RB3WREATH

We all know where that neck landed RK


Well....some do. I wouldn't say "all". But I suppose that several of us that have been around a while know. ;) 

Robby 

Sep 30, 2020 - 4:54:20 AM

1500 posts since 11/27/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Robby Boone
quote:
Originally posted by RB3WREATH

We all know where that neck landed RK


Well....some do. I wouldn't say "all". But I suppose that several of us that have been around a while know. ;) 

Robby 


I think your correct

 

Joe

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