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Sep 21, 2020 - 3:44:28 PM
10838 posts since 1/15/2005

Interesting article about the PAC 12 and the presentation given to their college presidents misrepresenting Covid facts.  The ACC has been playing for two weeks not and the football players are much safer from the virus, by leaps and bounds, than the general university student population.  For young men that age, the virus is not much of a health risk anyway.  In the ACC, the players are being tested 3 times a week, once the Friday before a Saturday game.  At Clemson Saturday we had 25% of the normal fans (19,000) spaced appropriately.  Now it looks like the Big 10 is going to play starting in October.  There will be some bumps in the road and schedules, but that is to be expected out of extreme caution.

https://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/2020/09/presentation-pac-12-presidents-and-chancellors-saw-before-postponing-sports-featured-overstated-covid-19-statistics.html

Sep 21, 2020 - 4:21:42 PM

10266 posts since 2/22/2007

The misrepresenting of data is a nationwide problem. We have had some of that here in Tennessee too (though not enough to stop football!) but it is a serious matter when the population comes to distrust all officials when it comes to serious matters. Yet that is where we are. Many a public official is coming up against the "boy who cried wolf" issue and credibility has been blown to pieces.

Sep 21, 2020 - 5:30:29 PM

10838 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by banjo bill-e

The misrepresenting of data is a nationwide problem. We have had some of that here in Tennessee too (though not enough to stop football!) but it is a serious matter when the population comes to distrust all officials when it comes to serious matters. Yet that is where we are. Many a public official is coming up against the "boy who cried wolf" issue and credibility has been blown to pieces.


Not to get politicial, but hopefully the official (s) in your city will be remembered for not trusting your citizens to be able to handle the truth.  Pathetic display,

Sep 21, 2020 - 5:43:14 PM

10266 posts since 2/22/2007

We have a successful petition to roll back his absurd 34% tax hike and hope to soon achieve a recall election. He is a disgrace who has actively caused the destruction of a multibillion dollar industry because they would not kiss his, um, boots.

Sep 22, 2020 - 4:48:35 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

USA

24987 posts since 8/3/2003

Let's keep politics out of the thread, please.

Sep 22, 2020 - 7:35:50 AM

2171 posts since 2/10/2013

The Prime Minister if Singapore said the governmental credibility is one of the most important factors in dealing with this virus. So much information and misinformation has created a major problem. Misinformation about the magnitude of the problem, elimination of restrictions designed to control the virus, large scale relapses, and reinstatement of restrictions, etc.. affect public attitude.

If students can't attend classes at an educational institution, I don't understand why football huddles and other forms of contact are not dangerous. If any player becomes infected,
and requires medical care, emergency personnel must deal with the problem and risk possible infection.

Sep 22, 2020 - 8:20:07 AM

5789 posts since 9/5/2006

i saw where 3 NFL coaches were fined 100,000 dollars each for not wearing mask on the sidelines and the teams were fined 250,000 dollars each.

Sep 22, 2020 - 8:56:37 AM
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211 posts since 4/10/2018

One young footballer has already died. There is strong evidence that there are lasting side effects of Covid. Over 88,000 college students have tested positive. Good grief. Then the Big 10 backtracked. It is a bad idea.

Sep 22, 2020 - 1:15:02 PM

mander

USA

4403 posts since 10/7/2007

GO BEAVERS!

Sep 22, 2020 - 8:57:12 PM

10838 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Hauser

The Prime Minister if Singapore said the governmental credibility is one of the most important factors in dealing with this virus. So much information and misinformation has created a major problem. Misinformation about the magnitude of the problem, elimination of restrictions designed to control the virus, large scale relapses, and reinstatement of restrictions, etc.. affect public attitude.

If students can't attend classes at an educational institution, I don't understand why football huddles and other forms of contact are not dangerous. If any player becomes infected,
and requires medical care, emergency personnel must deal with the problem and risk possible infection.


Students are on campus at a number of universities, although some are still taking many of their classes on-line.  Some colleges (or students anyway) have done a poor job, especially at fraternity and sorority houses of distancing.  Football players are probably taking all of their courses on-line, much like they did before the virus.  Football players are being tested 3 times a week including the Friday before the game.  They are much safer than the average student.

On a recent survey of 14 colleges, they found 11,000 students had tested positive for the virus ....... the number hospitalized ..... zero.

Sep 22, 2020 - 8:59:07 PM

10838 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by paco0909

One young footballer has already died. There is strong evidence that there are lasting side effects of Covid. Over 88,000 college students have tested positive. Good grief. Then the Big 10 backtracked. It is a bad idea.


Can you further explain why it is  a bad idea?  Have you been following the football testing protocol?  Link to the evidence that there are lasting side effects for 18-22 year olds.

Sep 23, 2020 - 1:52:39 AM

2943 posts since 4/29/2012

Last night was the first time that the 2 soccer teams I support, Spurs and Orient (very different divisions so I don't usually have to choose) were due to meet since 2001. Postponed due to positive Covid tests. I'm disappointed but glad they didn't take the risk. Some of you seem willing to watch others risk death or debility for your entertainment.

Sep 23, 2020 - 7:39:46 AM
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2171 posts since 2/10/2013

Surveying some schools is probably pointless. Colleges that have classes where students get credits but aren't tested or attend classes. Schools where other individuals take tests for an athlete, and the whistle blowing professor gets reprimanded. A three year college athlete appears before a judge, the judge orders testing of communication skills, and the student test results border on illiteracy.

Major college football is now big business. Large amounts of money can dictate what type of action is taken. This situation is not restricted to sports.

Edited by - Richard Hauser on 09/23/2020 07:41:50

Sep 23, 2020 - 11:16:55 AM
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211 posts since 4/10/2018

The football player died of COVID September 9 and there are articles in the New York Times and on NBC. Effects on athlete’s hearts is also in the Times. Just google. I am a rabid sports fan myself but believe the short term risks as well as potential long term issues argue for shutting down these activities.

Sep 23, 2020 - 11:30:59 AM

5789 posts since 9/5/2006

quote:
Originally posted by mander

GO BEAVERS!


i prefer to watch the ducks ,,,, their offense is more entertaining.....

Sep 23, 2020 - 11:50:42 AM
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Tommy5

USA

3620 posts since 2/22/2009

Notre Dame just postponed a game because of an outbreak of COVID among its players. In my wife’s group of neighborhood friends, five kids have tested positive for COVID which they contracted at colleges in Iowa, Wisconsin and Illinois. Two are returning home to quarantine at home. Two have no symptoms, two have runny noses, one has a mild breathing problem. If students want to play football, they should try out for the NFL, saying playing football is no worse then attending universities when schools are the rocket fuel that is accelerating the spread of a deadly virus is hardly a valid point.

Sep 23, 2020 - 1:28:28 PM

10838 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5

Notre Dame just postponed a game because of an outbreak of COVID among its players. In my wife’s group of neighborhood friends, five kids have tested positive for COVID which they contracted at colleges in Iowa, Wisconsin and Illinois. Two are returning home to quarantine at home. Two have no symptoms, two have runny noses, one has a mild breathing problem. If students want to play football, they should try out for the NFL, saying playing football is no worse then attending universities when schools are the rocket fuel that is accelerating the spread of a deadly virus is hardly a valid point.


Your ignorance of everything football is showing.  An athlete can't be eligible for the NFL draft and athlete has to have been out of high school three, years, have a high school diploma, and used up their college eligibility.  They can leave before their senior year if they petition the NFL to enter the draft.  So you just can't try out for the NFL.  When football players are much less likely to get Covid than student population and are tested 3 times a week, I still don't understand why some think it is not safe.  They are NOT playing with Covid.  

In the case of a football player that died with Covid, if a engineering student dies of Covid, should we close down the engineer department?  Did football cause the Covid?  I get it that some people don;t like college football.  Don't watch.

Sep 23, 2020 - 1:30:27 PM

10838 posts since 1/15/2005

quote:
Originally posted by AndrewD

Last night was the first time that the 2 soccer teams I support, Spurs and Orient (very different divisions so I don't usually have to choose) were due to meet since 2001. Postponed due to positive Covid tests. I'm disappointed but glad they didn't take the risk. Some of you seem willing to watch others risk death or debility for your entertainment.


Tell me Andrew.  What is the risk of two teams playing that none of the players do not have Covid?  You were happy to watch the Spurs and Orient play, so were you willing to watch them risk death or debility?

Sep 23, 2020 - 1:39:30 PM
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4819 posts since 10/6/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5

Notre Dame just postponed a game because of an outbreak of COVID among its players. In my wife’s group of neighborhood friends, five kids have tested positive for COVID which they contracted at colleges in Iowa, Wisconsin and Illinois. Two are returning home to quarantine at home. Two have no symptoms, two have runny noses, one has a mild breathing problem. If students want to play football, they should try out for the NFL, saying playing football is no worse then attending universities when schools are the rocket fuel that is accelerating the spread of a deadly virus is hardly a valid point.


Several colleges in our area have gone remote as "clusters" of positive tests have occurred quickly after students arrived on campus. Boston College swimming and dive team had numerous cases, a local college town in NH has become the largest concentration of cases in the state, Providence College community has become an "epicenter" for the virus (term used by local officials there). Many grade, middle, and high schools in our region had to go remote learning after numerous cases popped up after in-person classes started. The cases range from young children to older teachers and administrators. This thing is going to get worse before it is better.

Sep 23, 2020 - 1:40:07 PM
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mander

USA

4403 posts since 10/7/2007

quote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11
quote:
Originally posted by mander

GO BEAVERS!


i prefer to watch the ducks ,,,, their offense is more entertaining.....


I would argue the point... except... my entire knowledge of football was summed up in my first post: GO BEAVERS!

Sep 23, 2020 - 2:18:47 PM

Tommy5

USA

3620 posts since 2/22/2009

quote:
Originally posted by BanjoLink
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy5

Notre Dame just postponed a game because of an outbreak of COVID among its players. In my wife’s group of neighborhood friends, five kids have tested positive for COVID which they contracted at colleges in Iowa, Wisconsin and Illinois. Two are returning home to quarantine at home. Two have no symptoms, two have runny noses, one has a mild breathing problem. If students want to play football, they should try out for the NFL, saying playing football is no worse then attending universities when schools are the rocket fuel that is accelerating the spread of a deadly virus is hardly a valid point.


Your ignorance of everything football is showing.  An athlete can't be eligible for the NFL draft and athlete has to have been out of high school three, years, have a high school diploma, and used up their college eligibility.  They can leave before their senior year if they petition the NFL to enter the draft.  So you just can't try out for the NFL.  When football players are much less likely to get Covid than student population and are tested 3 times a week, I still don't understand why some think it is not safe.  They are NOT playing with Covid.  

In the case of a football player that died with Covid, if a engineering student dies of Covid, should we close down the engineer department?  Did football cause the Covid?  I get it that some people don;t like college football.  Don't watch.


Yes , I am aware of NFL rules, the point is that colleges shouldn't be minor league farm systems for the NFL, players can play football as long as they pay the bills for their expensive hobby and dont  expect college tuition and tax payers to pay for their recreational activities. Engineering studies can be labeled essential business unlike football or fencing or badminton, golf or water polo,

Sep 23, 2020 - 2:40:12 PM

10838 posts since 1/15/2005

Tommy, with all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. If it is an "expensive hobby" it is not being paid for college tuition and taxpayers. The scholarships at my university are paid for by donors to the booster program (IPTAY ..... about $40 Million in 2018). Because of football we are able to give numerous scholarships to young ladies on our rowing team, basketball team, softball team, track and field, cross country, and soccer and a few others. Are you saying that none of this should be a function of a college? I think athletics make for well rounded student, both intramural and intercollegiate. I think they are essential.

This is why I love football and particularly my coach and our team. It is not about the few guys that go on to the pros, but the other 100 on the team (all whom played in this game) that will have memories like this and tell their children and grandchildren.

https://www.tigernet.com/update/WATCH-Tigers-celebrate-walk-on-kickers-big-moment-in-home-opener-36339
 

Sep 23, 2020 - 3:04:10 PM

5789 posts since 9/5/2006

3.8% of draft-eligible Division I players were chosen in the 2019 NFL draft -254 players
Division I FCS 11 players
Division II 5 players

Sep 23, 2020 - 3:08:37 PM

5789 posts since 9/5/2006

quote:
Originally posted by mander
quote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11
quote:
Originally posted by mander

GO BEAVERS!


i prefer to watch the ducks ,,,, their offense is more entertaining.....


I would argue the point... except... my entire knowledge of football was summed up in my first post: GO BEAVERS!


just pickin at ya,,, i watch both teams play  ,,,,  i like watching PAC 12 games !

Sep 23, 2020 - 3:22:58 PM

mander

USA

4403 posts since 10/7/2007

quote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11

just pickin at ya,,, i watch both teams play  ,,,,  i like watching PAC 12 games !


A Banjo is picked. A MANDER-LYNN is plucked!! She's a serious instrument! :-)

Sep 23, 2020 - 3:26:33 PM

5789 posts since 9/5/2006

quote:
Originally posted by mander
quote:
Originally posted by 1935tb-11

just pickin at ya,,, i watch both teams play  ,,,,  i like watching PAC 12 games !


A Banjo is picked. A MANDER-LYNN is plucked!! She's a serious instrument! :-)


i will not question that statement at all ...............................................

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