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Sep 21, 2020 - 12:54:37 PM
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DC5

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The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA

(remove tongue from cheek)

Sep 21, 2020 - 1:33:52 PM
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Banjo Lefty

Canada

1989 posts since 6/19/2014

Canada can't compete with that. We have one tenth your population, but we have less than one twentieth of your deaths (9,200 +). Went to the mall today, and everybody -- absolutely everybody, little kids included -- were wearing masks. Perhaps that's why.

Sep 21, 2020 - 1:41:54 PM
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Here's a rally chant for those of you who think masks are a stupid idea:

"No more MASKS
Breathe free AIR!
Got some GERMS
I want to SHARE!"


Sep 21, 2020 - 1:47:54 PM
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73325 posts since 5/9/2007

We're doing good wearing masks up here in Maine.

We do get the occasional "Nutty Preacher" touting his flock being protected by The Almighty,but other than that...

Edited by - steve davis on 09/21/2020 13:50:41

Sep 21, 2020 - 2:28:40 PM
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birdman

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470 posts since 8/24/2004

Majority of the dead died with covid not because of covid.

Sep 21, 2020 - 2:30:04 PM
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donc

Canada

6425 posts since 2/9/2010

Huh ??   The majority of the victims probably died from a lack of oxygen.  Others died from cardiac arrest due to poor levels of oxygen.  I wonder how those things could happen  to a Covid-19 patient ? 

Edited by - donc on 09/21/2020 14:40:20

Sep 21, 2020 - 2:32:34 PM
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DC5

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Majority of influenza deaths are people who die with the flu, not from the flu. Doesn't change the statistics.

Sep 21, 2020 - 2:35:15 PM
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kww

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quote:
Originally posted by birdman

Majority of the dead died with covid not because of covid.


That's not true at all. Most death certificates list multiple causes of death: that's encouraged. It's considered the correct way to write one. Here's a nice instruction manual from Montana, a rural Red state, written well before COVID-19 became a thing: https://dphhs.mt.gov/Portals/85/publichealth/documents/Epidemiology/VSU/VSU_Multiple_Cause_2017.pdf?ver=2017-10-25-171307-117 

When that story went around about "only 6% of death certificates listed COVID-19 as the only source of death", it should have been written "94% of death certificates were written correctly, with only 6% of our doctors having been too sloppy to determine the mechanism by which COVID-19 killed the patient".

Sep 21, 2020 - 3:10:38 PM

73325 posts since 5/9/2007

Let's make sure we get the wording right.

Sep 21, 2020 - 4:23:06 PM
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wizofos

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5645 posts since 8/19/2012

What do you call someone who refuses to wear a mask?

The walking dead

Sep 21, 2020 - 4:26:23 PM
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Most people have no need to wear a mask and those who do, need much more than just a mask. Oh I wear one everywhere in public, but I seriously doubt the benefit to either myself or others. 

Edited by - banjo bill-e on 09/21/2020 16:27:32

Sep 21, 2020 - 6:18:52 PM
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birdman

USA

470 posts since 8/24/2004

What do you call a healthy person who wears a mask outside? Someone who cant think for themselves.

Sep 21, 2020 - 6:22:04 PM
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birdman

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470 posts since 8/24/2004

quote:
Originally posted by DC5

The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA

(remove tongue from cheek)


   Figures dont lie but liars sure can figure.   You ever heard that?  It applies to the covid " global pandemic."

Sep 21, 2020 - 6:22:07 PM
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donc

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6425 posts since 2/9/2010

For those with difficulty understanding a simple message this explains it better than most.


 

Sep 21, 2020 - 6:25:25 PM
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birdman

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470 posts since 8/24/2004

Wow Don, you bought it hook, line and sinker didnt you? The government knows best , right.... hahaha

Sep 21, 2020 - 6:45:06 PM
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donc

Canada

6425 posts since 2/9/2010

quote:
Originally posted by birdman

Wow Don, you bought it hook, line and sinker didnt you? The government knows best , right.... hahaha


That would  entirely depend upon which government you are referring to. 

Edited by - donc on 09/21/2020 18:47:00

Sep 21, 2020 - 6:52:38 PM
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chuckv97

Canada

52650 posts since 10/5/2013

So the whole world, even the many countries’ health professionals who couldn’t give a hoot about American politics, is in on some huge conspiracy? Who’s drinking who’s kool-aid....?

Sep 21, 2020 - 9:36:22 PM
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kww

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quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

So the whole world, even the many countries’ health professionals who couldn’t give a hoot about American politics, is in on some huge conspiracy? Who’s drinking who’s kool-aid....?


Ask him about the secret tunnels where the children are hidden ... go ahead, I dare you.

Sep 21, 2020 - 11:43:02 PM
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Bill Rogers (Moderator)

USA

23956 posts since 6/25/2005

It seems to me that given the significant number of asymptomatic carriers of the novel Coronavirus, wearing a mask is the best way to avoid endangering others. It may protect you to a point, but the point of wearing one is to protect folks you come into contact, or near-contact, with. There is a pandemic, and no one has a right to put someone else's health or life at risk. Internet rumors and wild speculation are not evidence--despite what some believe.

Edited by - Bill Rogers on 09/21/2020 23:43:27

Sep 22, 2020 - 1:24:40 AM
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The naysayers are right. 99.999% of the time you don't need a mask and it will make no difference.
Of course the other 0.001% is when you walk past somebody also not wearing a mask who has Covid, maybe asymptomaticaly, and breaths or sneezes in your direction. And of course YOU may be that asymptomatic Covid spreader.

Sep 22, 2020 - 4:01:34 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by birdman
quote:
Originally posted by DC5

The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA

(remove tongue from cheek)


   Figures dont lie but liars sure can figure.   You ever heard that?  It applies to the covid " global pandemic."


It is based on morals. Where do you get your morals? 

 

Here is my logical argument:

P1: If wearing a mask during the covid 19 pandemic can decrease overall suffering, you ought to wear a mask.

P2: Wearing a mask decreases overall suffering

C: therefore, one ought to wear a mask during the covid 19 pandemic.

This argument is presented under the assumption of being around other people. I am not arguing for wearing a mask while alone or at your home. I am also presenting this as it applies to the US specifically since we have such a high spread of the virus.

The argument's structure is valid. Modus ponens. If P is true, then Q is true. P is true, therefore Q.

The only issue you may take is with the soundness of the argument. But, it is sound. If one wears a mask, they reduce the amount of droplets they disperse into the air which in turn leads to a decrease in the spread of any airborne disease. Since covid 19 is primarily spread through the air, wearing a mask will reduce a possibly infected person's contribution to the spread. Since people can be carriers of the disease without knowledge,  one ought to wear a mask even without showing symptoms.

Suffering is any negative consequence. Pain, death, prolonged shut diwns, cancelations. From a utilitarian perspective, the harm caused by universal masking is far lower than non-masking.  From a Christian perspective, wearing a mask would be the morally just thing to do because it shows love for thy neighbor. 

Edited by - Bum Ditty Brendan on 09/22/2020 04:08:15

Sep 22, 2020 - 4:45:22 AM

Texasbanjo (Moderator)

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We're getting political again. Stop that or this thread is locked.

Sep 22, 2020 - 5:04:05 AM
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DC5

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quote:
Originally posted by birdman
quote:
Originally posted by DC5

The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA

(remove tongue from cheek)


   Figures dont lie but liars sure can figure.   You ever heard that?  It applies to the covid " global pandemic."


Global:  adjective  pertaining to the whole world; worldwide; universal:

Pandemic: adjective (of a disease) prevalent throughout an entire country, continent, or the whole world; epidemic over a large area.

Epidemic: adjective (of a disease) affecting many persons at the same time, and spreading from person to person in a locality where the disease is not permanently prevalent.

Source dictionary.com

Sep 22, 2020 - 5:14:29 AM

birdman

USA

470 posts since 8/24/2004

quote:
Originally posted by Bum Ditty Brendan
quote:
Originally posted by birdman
quote:
Originally posted by DC5

The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA

(remove tongue from cheek)


   Figures dont lie but liars sure can figure.   You ever heard that?  It applies to the covid " global pandemic."


It is based on morals. Where do you get your morals? 

 

Here is my logical argument:

P1: If wearing a mask during the covid 19 pandemic can decrease overall suffering, you ought to wear a mask.

P2: Wearing a mask decreases overall suffering

C: therefore, one ought to wear a mask during the covid 19 pandemic.

This argument is presented under the assumption of being around other people. I am not arguing for wearing a mask while alone or at your home. I am also presenting this as it applies to the US specifically since we have such a high spread of the virus.

The argument's structure is valid. Modus ponens. If P is true, then Q is true. P is true, therefore Q.

The only issue you may take is with the soundness of the argument. But, it is sound. If one wears a mask, they reduce the amount of droplets they disperse into the air which in turn leads to a decrease in the spread of any airborne disease. Since covid 19 is primarily spread through the air, wearing a mask will reduce a possibly infected person's contribution to the spread. Since people can be carriers of the disease without knowledge,  one ought to wear a mask even without showing symptoms.

Suffering is any negative consequence. Pain, death, prolonged shut diwns, cancelations. From a utilitarian perspective, the harm caused by universal masking is far lower than non-masking.  From a Christian perspective, wearing a mask would be the morally just thing to do because it shows love for thy neighbor. 


   So to stop the spread of airborne diseases everyone should always wear a mask from this point forward ?  There are lots of airborne diseases that cause pain and suffering

Sep 22, 2020 - 5:17:32 AM

189 posts since 7/22/2016

quote:
Originally posted by birdman
quote:
Originally posted by Bum Ditty Brendan
quote:
Originally posted by birdman
quote:
Originally posted by DC5

The U.S. has now exceeded 200,000 C-19 deaths. USA USA USA

(remove tongue from cheek)


   Figures dont lie but liars sure can figure.   You ever heard that?  It applies to the covid " global pandemic."


It is based on morals. Where do you get your morals? 

 

Here is my logical argument:

P1: If wearing a mask during the covid 19 pandemic can decrease overall suffering, you ought to wear a mask.

P2: Wearing a mask decreases overall suffering

C: therefore, one ought to wear a mask during the covid 19 pandemic.

This argument is presented under the assumption of being around other people. I am not arguing for wearing a mask while alone or at your home. I am also presenting this as it applies to the US specifically since we have such a high spread of the virus.

The argument's structure is valid. Modus ponens. If P is true, then Q is true. P is true, therefore Q.

The only issue you may take is with the soundness of the argument. But, it is sound. If one wears a mask, they reduce the amount of droplets they disperse into the air which in turn leads to a decrease in the spread of any airborne disease. Since covid 19 is primarily spread through the air, wearing a mask will reduce a possibly infected person's contribution to the spread. Since people can be carriers of the disease without knowledge,  one ought to wear a mask even without showing symptoms.

Suffering is any negative consequence. Pain, death, prolonged shut diwns, cancelations. From a utilitarian perspective, the harm caused by universal masking is far lower than non-masking.  From a Christian perspective, wearing a mask would be the morally just thing to do because it shows love for thy neighbor. 


   So to stop the spread of airborne diseases everyone should always wear a mask from this point forward ?  There are lots of airborne diseases that cause pain and suffering


You may have noticed I made that argument in the frame of covid 19. 

Start with this

Sep 22, 2020 - 5:17:55 AM

birdman

USA

470 posts since 8/24/2004

quote:
Originally posted by chuckv97

So the whole world, even the many countries’ health professionals who couldn’t give a hoot about American politics, is in on some huge conspiracy? Who’s drinking who’s kool-aid....?


  The whole world cares about American politics, because the whole world depends on America. Especially Canada.

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